Tree Dancing with Pete

Longtime friend of the show, Pete the Blue Collar Spiritualist, had a deep experience and he stopped by to share the details. 

Trigger warning that we speak about suicide at around the 35 minute mark.

Other topics we cover in order include:

• Sun/Moon Dance
• Fasting and Dreaming
• Breaking the Fast
• Talking through the ceremonies
• Dreaming in an altered state
• Dancing to heal humanity
• Fragility of life and death
• Crossing over Justin
• Pea the Fairy
• One more experience - vampiric energies
• Links to the work this group is doing!

Pete on TikTok

Rick's book

Links to Sun-Moon Dance/House of Mica

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SPEAKER_02 0:29

This week I have a old friend of the show. He's not old, but he's been on the show a lot. And uh he just recently did something that I can't wait to pick his brain about. I wanted to light up his DMs on TikTok, but I'm like, no, pause off. I'm gonna wait until we're here. So it's Pete, the blue-collared spiritualist, he fan favorite, by the way. And so it's nice to have you back. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:58

I'm good. Uh yeah, I um I just got back from it's called the Sun Moon Dance.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Already, I love the title.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Yeah, so it's it was created by uh this gentleman named Joseph Real. Real. It's I'm probably saying it wrong. R-A-E-L. Yeah, and his native name was Beautiful Painted Arrow. He was like a mystic medicine man tied to the southern U T E lineage.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Yeah, the U the Utes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

And I the problem is every time I say Ute, I think of uh my cousin Vinny, like Utes. So I don't I like spelling it out because then I get that.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Yes. You don't have that mind, which I literally, yes. I now I'm going to associate with that, but apologies to the Ute people because we really mean you.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Yeah, but um it automatically like clicks in my head. I just hear Joe Pesci's voice and then saying it.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Yeah. Um who is not the same guy that sells the sandwiches, yo. Those are different short people. People mix them up and it makes me really upset.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Who?

SPEAKER_02 2:14

The Joe Pesci and then the guy, I think it's uh Danny. Who's the Danny DeVito, the short guy that does the sandwich ads?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Yeah, yeah, Danny DeVito.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

People think they're the same person.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Oh, I thought you were talking about the judge. No, the judge is uh the guy from he's also from in uh pet cemetery. Well, that's is it any mom's?

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Yeah, he is going on all of them. Yeah, which my dad actually met him. Um he met him a lot of action in the Fresno, California airport. My dad had to do a lot of flying out of there to do things at other places, and um and I'm sure none of them involved other women, but they could have. But he ran into him and he said he was really nice. He also ran into multiple times. You know, he was a super villain in the old James Bond movies, really, really tall guy, Andre on Andre the Giant. And he do you know him? I mean, he and my dad said he was the nicest man too. And then he ran into this was in LA, but he ran into Arlo Guthrie at the airport, and then he gave Woody Guthrie, his son, a ride because he was hitchhiking. So my dad's like, well, hell yeah. So gave him a ride somewhere in LA. So I know a man of action, apparently. So, so back to your tree dancing and the sun moon dance, which was created by Joseph Rael, and his heritage is UTE. Yeah, we're back, see how we're back on track.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Yeah, I wanna uh um I know I have my phone out, it's because I wanna give the proper people credit, yeah, without like embarrassing their name and yeah, that's really nice. So uh my friend, Rick, I'm gonna say C-O-T-R-O-N-E-O. He was a um he went to school out in New Mexico and he kind of got mentored by Joseph.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

That feels like a whole story in and of itself.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

Oh yeah, he has a book out too, The Sun Moon Dance. But um, he has a place upstate, he they call it the House of Micah Peace Chamber. So there's a lot to this, but Joseph basically created these, they call them peace chambers, and they're like built a certain way. They're these little like um, you know, uh stone like oval-shaped houses that people go there and they make like a monthly commitment where they pray for peace for like the world and do all different stuff like that, and like evolution, enlightenment. So, and he hope Rick has this at his house and hosts people for like sweat lodges, different ceremonies.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

So I just want to shout out Rick too.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

No kidding. So wait, this just going back to the structures, the stone structures, which are so purposeful. Was that like he um was following the traditions of his people to do that?

SPEAKER_00 5:33

I think he, you know, he was a mystic himself, and I think received like downloads to there's a bunch of them all over the world, and he like traveled the world and kind of put these around the world. I know there's some in Europe, um, all over America. I don't know where else to, to be honest. Um, so yeah, uh, so he created this ceremony, Sun Moon Dance, that was kind of for everybody. So instead of like, you know, they have like some of these ceremonies are kind of gatekeeped by different cultures. Um, this was kind of created to kind of connect to everybody and all like anybody, like Rick always reinforces, like he was always told, like, you could literally walk in off the street and you're welcome to do this ceremony with them.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Which is so great, especially right now in this moment, because there's so many gatekeepers, and you know, there'd even be backlash about you know, there's backlash about everything, and it's such just noise. It's just noise. So I love this idea that anybody could come out off the street anywhere and plug into this experience, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

And I mean, even to touch on that is like Rick literally opens his house for everybody, and like you know, I feel like sometimes you go into these communities and they're like, Oh, you know, love everybody and all this stuff, but it's like this like fake kind of new age.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

Don't touch my shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

But like Rick, I feel like sincerely like welcomes anybody with an open heart and like you could feel the difference, you know, like yeah, yeah. So he literally has people stay at his house for you know five days and um you know cooks for everybody. Uh, you know, so basically the the dance is um I think I was there Thursday night, we set up everything, and it lasts uh you put everything together Friday morning, Friday afternoon you do like a feast.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

And then they you fast from food or and water until uh Monday like 10 a.m. basically. Well, maybe a little earlier, 8 a.m. Like sunrise, you do some ceremonies and then you break the fast first with water and then um with uh watermelon about like an hour later is the first thing you eat.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Which I was just gonna ask you what it was. Was it like a broth? But watermelon is perfect.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Oh, it was it was the best.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

It had to be the best food you've ever eaten in your life.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

I've literally had watermelon the last like five days just because of how much yeah, like the significance of it and like just um how great it tasted when you're having ate or drank in four years.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

I was wondering, yeah, because um after doing such a thing, just being away from food and drink that long, I feel like you'd be more discerning about what you put in your body.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. Well, like um so not Pop Tarts. I'm sure Pop Tarts are I'm I'm somebody who's pretty conscious of like what I put in my body in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Uh just because I've struggled with my weight through the years and kind of know I have emotional eating issues. Um, so I always try to teach my kids that too as well. Like, I don't really eat fast food, I cook most of my own food.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

But basically, the dance was created to kind of um honor the present, clear the past, bless the future, and it's like achieving like personal healing as well as like in a community because you know it's in a group. There's like 10 other people who dance, um, typically. Well, there was 10 people when I dance.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

But by dancing, you there so that basically they set this tree in the middle of a circle, and everybody kind of uh camps around the circle.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Wow, I love that too.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

It's it's it's a dreaming dance, they call it. So basically dancing, but you walk back and forth from your space to the tree in the center, and they play drums, and then like um there's other kind of different little ceremonies they'll do from time to time, but you're dancing back and forth for uh a moment of time, say 20 minutes to maybe the longest dance would be like 45 minutes, and then in between each dance, you rest, and basically you're supposed to rest to the point where you like dream, and um it kind of puts you in like an altered state, and then like through the dreams, you know, you get revelation as well as like healing and kind of um you know the combination of all of this kind of I have questions though.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Uh so about the dreaming. So if you guys each have your are you like spokes on a wheel around.

SPEAKER_04 11:11

Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

So when when you're dreaming, because you know how a tree, some people may not know this, but the tree, how how big it is, you know, the as above, so below, it's divinely held in every tree. And so that big bundle of like limbs and leaves is the same as what's happening under the ground. So you guys are literally sleeping on the roots of the tree. Yeah, that is incredible. And so you're like the tree is almost like the the guide through this whole journey, and it's also uniting all of you. If you think about you guys as a spokes spokes on the wheel, that is so sacred and beautiful, that imagery alone.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Yeah, I mean, it was it was an amazing experience and definitely feel connected to those people forever, probably.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

I bet. Well, did you um so you said that then you got to rest that you were called to rest after the dancing parts and to the point that you were dreaming? So, do you feel comfortable sharing any?

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Oh, yeah, I'll share everything. I share everything. I mean, it was funny. There a lot of different things happened, and obviously I'm still kind of like digesting it. Uh, I guess first, like it was funny. Uh I think I talked about this a little bit on another podcast with you. That I feel like sometimes people like say you've worked on your own grief and you understand grief energetically, unconsciously, subconsciously, sometimes I would I would have dreams, like not related to this right now, but like in my daily life, where I would experience other people's grief. So like um during the dreaming while I was at this sun moon dance, I would feel like collective dreams, or like I would experience like other people's lives, but like I was like almost like an outside observer.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Because you were, I swear to god, the tree was the conduit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

So maybe I'm like holding space for people to like process things unconsciously, and then it's showing up in a dream space, and there was like all different dreams. I remember one where like a father was like disciplining his daughter. I felt like her like almost feel like alone or um, you know, like it's like when you're a kid and you you know, you think of your parents as like somebody who loves you and then they're like disciplining you so hard, and you're like, it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

No, right.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Um, that was one that really stuck out because I you know, obviously I'm attracting that dream for a reason.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

So maybe I felt that way before, and then I was able, you know, because it's it's said that like this is also like you dance to kind of heal humanity and like send, you know, you have this big group of people who are focused on like healing humanity. So I'm sure you're sending out energy in different ways, and maybe like you have these dreams to kind of support people that are struggling. I mean, I remember a lot of the dreams too, as well as being like people in like uh awkward situations or like a lot of like uncomfortable feelings, and I would just like wake up and be like, Like, what was that about?

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Like, did you write, did they allow you to have a journal so you were able to kind of jot down anything, or you just had to kind of memorize it?

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Yeah, I kind of to be honest, I probably lost a lot too because you know he's he always says, like, you'll take what you're supposed to, and then if afterwards, if you want to journ journal, but like the whole thing is is like you're supposed to kind of be dialed in. Like, even so he has like basically it's an arbor, it's like a circle, and like he uses like trees around the circle to make like they take tarps, and that's how they make tents basically. Okay, each p each spot you could kind of make your own because it's for you. Yeah, so like you, you know, like I was very underprepared compared to a lot of people because I thought we were like doing it raw, you know, like all I have was a sleeping bag and like maybe a couple changes of clothes.

SPEAKER_04 16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Um and that was it. Um, but my point was is uh outside of the Arbor, he has like almost like an outhouse, right? Yeah. So when you leave the Arbor, you're supposed to kind of cover yourself in white and like you're not supposed to make eye contact with anybody. You're supposed to like go to the bathroom, come back.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

I think a lot of it is really you don't want to like kind of get lost anywhere. Like if you're sitting there writing, you probably get out of it a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Yeah, you're lost, you're lost in the past. Yeah, you have to go back and think about it.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Yeah, so it's like really you're they want you like internal, but like present, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And the other thing is like, you know, I keep going back to uh in the last few years. I remember like three, four years ago, I had this dream where I was at this big table and there were all these like wizened people. They felt very wise and um, I don't remember what they look like, but it felt like something out of Lord of the Rings. And I and they said, there's mag the most magical things is the mundane. There's magic in the mundane. And so I keep thinking about you were saying that about these awkward situations, and you're like, what was that about? Or like the situation with the woman, the girl that was um, you know, punished by her dad. How many people collectively that that was their first instance of you come out and you're just um unconditional love? These parents are your night and day, they're your world, and that's your first breach of trust. It's like, you know, they treated me this way, they saw me this way. It's like you broke something sacred. And so it seems simple, but it's actually doing this massive healing because people are like, maybe that's too small to go to therapy for. It's like that's the beginning. That could be the beginning point of the first betrayal you ever had.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Yeah. Well, you know what's funny is I always I always think of like Santa Claus in a way. Yeah, right? Because you're like think about how much we like put on, like I was raised Catholic, but like think about how much we put on like the holidays and Santa, and it's all this special thing, and these kids, you're telling your kids like, oh, this guy comes and he's like magical and he gives you presents, and then all of a sudden you find out the whole thing was a lie. Yes. Like, think about that for your psyche. Like your parents are basically manipulating you, manipulating.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

And then in the meantime, they're telling you never lie, never lie, never lie.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Yes, I remember Santa's gonna get you, you know, like you're gonna get coal or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

And it's I remember I was viscerally like, Santa is not my jam. I don't believe in this stuff. This is weird. You're telling me to sit on this man's lap. My brother was um older than me, but three and a half years, but he was later to catch up to that. And I'll never forget, we were back at grandma's house. We had to go visit Santa for grandma, he wanted our Santa picture. And everybody seemed to be kind of smiling. But my brother, he sat on Santa's lap. He looked at Santa. And then when the family got together, he went over to cousin Kodge, who is the oldest cousin. And he went over and he just spilled his seven up on cousin Kodge's face. He was like, You're not Santa, because he had seen that cousin Kodge wanted some side hustle money, and the whole family thought it'd be funny because nobody'd ever catch on that cousin Kodge was Santa. And guards was so pissed. He's like, that just ruined it for me. And I'm like, I literally, you see me in pictures not wanting to touch this strange man's lap.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

I'm just like, But think about how many kids also have like a visceral, like negative reaction to be like, you have to sit with this weirdo guy with a beard on. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

And now kids are taught stranger danger. So it like with our girls, I remember when one time we tried to do the Santa thing and um and having none of it, but then they said, my eldest said, sit, you come with me, mom. So I sat too, and we were both like in the picture going, oh, like that. I was going like this because they pinched my butt. And then Nora's like, I'm reacting to my mom. So we were done. We were like, you know, we don't need the Santa pictures. It's fine, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

So it's it's you like these little things where you don't realize how much influence it has on like a child and their psyche.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

And it's and it just kind of breaks, um, it just kind of breaks everything in a weird way. And I, you know, and maybe they feel like they broke it in the instance of the girl that's dad is punishing her. It's like I did something bad, I didn't even know. And now someone I really love doesn't see me the same. You know, it's worse than the punishment.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Well, because the kids they don't have the the rules and conditioning where, like, you know, oh, this is bad. Like, oh, my parent loves me, but if I do this, they don't.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

And it's like some made up like social norm.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Like, yeah, you know, yeah, exactly. So I'm thinking so you were doing the magic and the mundane in these dreams.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah. I mean, that's what I felt like.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Yeah. So um it went on you said Saturday, Sunday, and then Monday you ate. Um, just for people thinking about it, because it makes them hungry to think about no food or drink. How long did you find it took you to just shut off that part of your monkey mind, that part of yourself to care about food or drink?

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Never, never.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yeah, no. So it's funny, like I've done I've done food. Fast. Like I played uh football and like I was up to like 315 when I was in college, and now I'm like 260. And one of the first things I did was learn about fasting. I would do intermittent fasting, and I would do like maybe one day a week, I just wouldn't eat, and it helped me like really understand um my emotional connection to food. So like food fasting I've done before, I've done by myself as long as four days once. Um so I know I know how to like navigate that, but the no water, yeah, you know, because it's like you you start, I've been dehydrated, you know, like from work or football and stuff like that. And you know, like it's so uncomfortable, like your butt you start, like I started to worry because my body was like cramping, you know, and like my toes were cramping. And you know, part of the whole thing behind the fast is that it like your life or death is under the creator's control. You know, when it's your time to go, it's your time to go.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

So it helps you first, it helps you realize like the fragility of life, you know. It's like even, you know, I have a friend at work that I talk about a lot of this stuff with, right? And I was talking about it, and it was like I started to I was telling him about water, and I started to cry because I was like, you don't realize, like we had like I could go downstairs and get water out of my sink. Yeah, but it wasn't always like that, you know? Yeah, and like we forget because it's always just like even at work, it's like, oh, they bring in cases of pollen spring, there's like 20 cases of water in my trailer, you know. Oh, we need water, all right. Here's the water, you know. But it's like people who survived off the land, even as you know, even the pioneers, the natives, people going across America trying to find a place to settle. Yes, like you're you're you're going through the mountains, like you're hunting for your food every day and you're finding your water every day. And if you if you don't, you're dying, you know.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Well, and also there's this part of Colorado that really brought it home for me because it wasn't a state yet, and they had this territorial governor, and he was a real asshole. Um, and they were kind of on their own, and they needed it was pesky to them that the the native groups that had found they had this beautiful dance with the land there, where they were migrating in in a certain pattern every year that took a little bit from the land and a little bit from the water as they went along. And it could replenish when they were gone in their absence. So, of course, this this um you know ashat comes in and he's like, we need to take all the tribes, every Native American group, and smash them together and not even uh regard them as separate entities that may not get along. They may have their own politics, smoosh them together and they put them on land that is in southern Colorado, south of Denver, that it has no like potable water source, like no beautiful river or stream. It has the soil is they're unable to, you know, you know, grow or harvest anything. Animals avoid it because it's kind of a dead zone and they put them there. And so then what you're saying brings it home even further of what an evil thing it was to do. Because you're um it is there was a cut off from water, like the very essence of our lives. It's just uh really interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

And it just you uh it teaches you like I remember like I've been around Rick a lot, and he, you know, you could see how he like sees the sacredness in everything. Like, oh, he like blesses everything he eats, and and um, you know, everything he does. Like we he there's a place in New Mexico that he's building to do this because that's where it's from originally. So they they like I think they have a non-for-profit and they raised money to create like a space in New Mexico where they could do um the dance. Uh and you know, like before he starts building, he like does a blessing before he, you know, and it's like I see that and I want to be like that. I wanna I wanna see the sacred in every moment and not and I like want to do it organically and I want to do it my own way, and I wanna sincerely feel that way. Like I don't want to like just go through the motions just because I think that's how it is, and like I always think I used to think about like how did he get like that where you could tell like he authentically like cares to do this, he's not doing it because it's like a new age fad or something.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

So have you asked him?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

No, I never have, but I figured it out myself. It's like through doing like these ceremonies where you are fasting and you you realize like this food you can't take for granted because it might not always be there. Yeah, and like you put your energy into everything authentically, and it's like your your reality starts to match that where you you do see the sacred in everything.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Uh so yeah, so it was a lot of dreams at first. Um, but you asked about the food or water, right? So I would say by sun, like Sunday afternoon, we did Friday night, Saturday all day, Sunday to Monday morning, no food or water. I would say Sunday afternoon, I couldn't sleep anymore. Like I was just like, I also think your body kind of kicks in high gear, like you know, hunter-gatherer, like you need food or water, like you can't sleep.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

It's primal, it's almost primal at that point.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Yeah, and then I even I I remember even having a dream where uh after a dance period, I laid down and had a dream where I ran away from the like I was in the arbor and I got up and ran away, and everybody was like chasing me to bring me back, and I was like, I'm not going back. And it was like I remember being like hyper real, and I remember waking up and being like, What am I doing here? I thought I like ran away, you know. Like, but by Sunday afternoon, I was wired. I didn't sleep all of Sunday night. I remember just sitting and watching the sky, hoping that it was gonna turn to daylight because I knew once the sun was coming up, they were gonna start coming and we were gonna start um setting into motion, at least getting water.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

So I was just like hyperfixated by so it the the thirst, the hunger went away, but the thirst I feel like never really settled. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

So so uh the you said the dreams continued, but then you didn't sleep on Sunday night. Um, did you guys on Monday? And and watermelon was the first food, but on Monday, were you guys able to talk as a group about the different experiences?

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Oh, yeah, totally. Um, well, I was gonna share probably like one of my biggest experiences.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

So um this is a little heavy, just a trigger uh warning for heavy uh energy. So when I was growing up, um, I would say about seven or eighth grade, I had a best friend of mine. Uh he moved away from where we live in New York. He moved to Michigan. Um, his name is Justin. He uh committed suicide. He um and like premeditated, like set his alarm, woke up and killed himself. Um in his own home. So I can't like I always think about like I'm I couldn't imagine as a parent waking up and like finding something like that. Yeah. So obviously, yeah, I do mediumship work, and my friend Justin killed himself, and we in New York, I found out I was coming home from hanging out with my friends, and my mom told me, and I never I ran away for a little bit, and I never felt like I really processed the grief of that. Like it was never really like addressed, you know, like they did a little like candlelighting ceremony, but nobody I was even talking to my wife about it, is like nobody even like said, Hey, how you doing? You know, like or like you know, I remember, yeah, I don't remember anybody like really addressing it. I'm sure my parents talked to me a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

Like, I don't want to give them no credit, but right, but it's more superficial.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

It wasn't like, yeah, just it wasn't like let's go to therapy for a month and just like talk it out. It was like, oh, how are you doing? Oh, okay, like, yeah, he's dead. You know? Um so he moved away, and I uh I remember him coming before it happened and like visiting me and like kind of feeling a little weird, but like I never really talked to him in depth. You know, I was in eighth grade, I wasn't so anyway, he he passed, and he's probably the only spirit that I never felt. Like never felt him come to me, never had any experiences with him. I had other close friends who passed, yeah, you know, always showing up. He never had an experience with him.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

And I'm assuming you wanted an experience.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah, well, like I it it bothered me because you know, the that version of myself felt probably guilty, like that maybe I didn't see something, or like maybe I could have helped him. I mean, obviously the higher version of me knows that it's like it's his desk, it's his deal, it's not my fault. But there was a part of me that always felt kind of guilty. Um so anyway, I was in my area resting, and I felt him, I felt like a version of him step in with me. And it felt very like heavy, very dark, um like very angry. Um, and I saw like um these like the these like two figures around him that kind of felt like dark energies. Uh I don't know if you're ever you remember the band Primus?

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Okay, like they I remember they had like weird covers with foolish figures. Yes. That's what it looked like. Ah like there was two of them. So I'm like, I was I was taken back first by that he showed up, and then my other friend Doug, who also killed himself, showed up as well. And I was just like, what's going on? And I got the sense that like he wanted help passing, like he was lingering here, and that's why he never really showed up, that he was like attached to like his anger, maybe like like resentment or like regret, you know, like something happened, and yeah. So I told him that I would I called in Archangel Michael and I said that I would bring him to the tree, that the tree would help him pass. So I the next dance, I brought him, like I could feel him with me. Yeah, and I walked up to the tree and I kind of like just held the tree and I kind of felt him like the I felt the energy in my own body, like that's how I'll feel it. A lot of times, like I feel the body process, I feel like the energy process like through my body. So it's I felt this like vertical pulling up and then he like passed, and then like 20 minutes later, I'm resting again, and I feel him like in a different form, like that, like he like moved into the light, and I'm resting, and this is another kicker. So I'm resting and I'm laying there and I fall asleep, and I wake up and there's a snake in my hand, like a live snake. In real life, yeah, in real life, and I I wake up and I get shocked, like I was like, I I scared it because I was like, I felt the like slithering in my hand and it took off. And uh now like I've felt him, you know, almost like every day I feel him like kind of step in with me. But he he came from a big family, and I got the message to reach out to his sister to let him know that let her know that he's at peace. He told me to let her know that he's at peace. So I uh she f like follows me on social media, so I reached out and I said, I had some experiences, I'd like to kind of share it with you.

unknown 36:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Um, if you're open to that. And so I call her and I kind of explain everything, you know, what I do and what happened, and she told me that she's gone to like 30 mediums and he's never showed up.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

Yeah, we know why.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Yeah, so and then this is even a little heavier, is I didn't know this, but she had two other brothers and they both killed themselves.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Oh my god. So do you think those were the two figures next to him?

SPEAKER_00 37:29

It must have been.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

I think so too.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

So, and she said like she always thought like it was like something demonic, or like I don't really believe necessarily in that. I think, but like I think like patterns, like energetic patterns or karmic patterns can like um double up or like build energy. But she said, like, and they don't even know, like she said her one brother was you know, um just left one day and didn't come come back.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

And I'm like, yeah, so she's a real survivor too.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Yeah, I mean, that's like I I said, you know, you like I was talking to her about just like releasing emotion, and like obviously I don't know what that could even feel like. Yeah, but I mean that's gotta be heaviest.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

So I wonder if because of it, your friend's name is Justin, right? Yeah, I wonder if because of his experience, if maybe he'll be able on that side to be able to help his brothers, you know, because they were in touch, obviously, and maybe he'll be able, they definitely their energies would see that he went somewhere else. Where did he go? And maybe he'll be able to come to where they're at. It's almost like they I've heard it said that whatever your constructs are, are they're real. That you've made that world for yourself over there. It doesn't mean they're real in general. It just means if I believe in heaven, hell, and purgatory and I think my life, I deserve purgatory, then I create that for myself when I die. It's a construct you're bringing with you. It's like well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

So, like one of the things I was thinking about a lot because of that is that, like, you know, you've heard of the Gnostics who kind of believe this is like a prison through like demiurge, or you've heard of like, you know, like the matrix type theory of like this being a stimulation.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

And all I think that is is I think like we are the human experience or this reality is just a break from us being the infinite. Like we made this like construct to like have a different experience.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Have an individual experience in it.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Yes. So, but I think what happens is there's like a subconscious or an unconscious aspect of us that knows like we aren't these physical beings, that we are more than this. And that aspect knows that this like our physical body itself is in a way like a a trap or a I don't like saying prison, but like it's like we're encased in this physical body, but that's not like the truth of who we are. No, there's an aspect of us that knows that, yeah, and then through that creates like thoughts and energies that build the infrastructure of feeling like this is a trap, like reinforcing that, yes, yeah. So, like, you know, um I forget who said this, but there's uh there was this thought that like what is the only thing that God lacks?

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Hands and feet? I don't know. Limitation, limit, yeah, limitation. Just being you're right, so like being trapped in a vessel.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Yeah, so like the limitation itself, though, like you're thinking of it in terms of like manifesting your reality. Like the unconscious self knows that you're spirit and that you aren't this body, so then like that pattern or that thought pattern builds energy, and then it creates maybe religions, yeah, or maybe government, yeah, or like different things that compound to create like infrastructures that like, oh, we're limited by this, we're limited by that.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

And it has to come through here. Here's the rules for this and that, and we're tripped up in it. It's like pretty soon we're the I don't know if it was the Matrix or what. No, it wasn't. It was like a Tom Cruise movie where there's all the lasers that are like a web of lasers that we're trying to get through to remember every day. We're actually, you know, we have free will, we have everything we need, we're connected to everything if we remember it, you know. But it's like we've made ourselves this little obstacle course that's almost impossible to get through.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

But that's why, like, you know, um creating the infrastructure kind of makes the experience like more complex.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Where like when you do, you know, something that this like fast and this time away kind of helps you see is that like you're not your physical body. You're not this like, you know, everything is temporary, like this whole experience is temporary. You're this like infinite being trapped in limitation. Yeah, I but it's your own trap.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

It's your own trap. And I keep thinking, so I had this thing that my guides um they sent me a long time ago. It's been years now. I like scratched it into a journal, and it was basically a little triple-A battery, and it had the anode and the cathode, and the anode, you know, it I think of us, our our ensole bodies in a vessel as a little battery, and it connects us to the celestial at the same time as the earth, you know, the dirt under our feet. And we forget that because we get distracted. So our batteries are not quite square. In fact, like when we're hunched over our phones like this, we're not even connecting anymore to, you know, the battery is like one of those unseated batteries that you kind of have to push back in. And then you're connected to everything. And I think that like this experience is to remember that we have everything, you know, we're we're free. And sovereign. We don't want to give away our uh free will, but we have that connection to everything. And on top of it, it is a special thing. As much as we go, God, these meat suits feel heavy, they're annoying. We have to take care of them, whatever our things are. Um, we got to do the grind to get the money that we need to have a roof over our head and take care of our families in their little meat suits or whatever. But that those all kind of pull us away in a sense, but there's going to be a moment whenever we we cross and we go, that was a good time. I learned a lot of stuff there that I wouldn't have learned. And I, and I also really like the flavor or the sensation of chewing food or hiking a trail and hearing my the grit of the red dirt underneath my boots, like all the things that this gift of a meat suit are. I mean, I when I do the hardest hike I ever do, and you were talking about dehydration, I have set myself up for failure a few times because I didn't know I was about to summit a mountain. I'm like, oh no, this isn't a mountain. This is just a trail. And then I'm seeing people and they're like, you know, you did the last part and went to the summit, right? So I'm ill prepared and I'm kind of dizzy because I'm dehydrated because it's altitude. And but I never remember that stuff when I get back down to my car. I take a swig of water and I'm like, I just summited a fucking mountain. I never, you know what I mean? So I think that's gonna be us when we have the moment um to when we cross over and just go, that was sensational. We're gonna say, okay, yeah, your sun moon thing was fantastic, but this whole earth experience is like a giant sun moon ritual. That's what I think. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

No, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's what kind of I'm saying is that like, you know, the things that we are limited by also create a more intense experience.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

So it's like people complain of being like limited, but the whole point of limitation is for experience.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

Yes, exactly. The other thing I think of, it sounds like it's not relevant. I swear to God it is, because I worked for an architectural firm for years. And they said the things that limited a work site are the things that made a project cool and unique and interesting. So, like, you know, a skyscraper in Seattle that doesn't quite fit. So they had to decide, well, can we buy the rights to the air above the building and make it narrow at the bottom and go up? And and lo and behold, they invented a thing called sky rights. I mean, and they and it's like these cool things. So architects will tell you the limitations are the best aspects of the design process.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, even on uh the the the lock screen of my phone is um uh P the Ferry. She's on Instagram, you know, I follow her on social media, but she uh let me see, it says um I took a quote that she had that I liked. It's how you respond to the empty space creates what fills it.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

That is exactly okay. So there's your t-shirt from after your sun-moon journey.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Well, it's just like, you know, you wow how you respond to like think about just in general, like how you respond to anything is how you feel it in a way, you know. It's like so um that experience really uh I feel like got rid of a lot of heaviness. Like I think I had stuff in my heart that kind of um wasn't settled. Um and it really let go of some grief that I was probably holding on to.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Um so I'm trying to think of some other experiences I had.

SPEAKER_02 48:11

That's pretty incredible.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

I'll tell another one, but I I won't say any names. But uh I had another experience where somebody who I had a friendship, relationship with um that I always kind of felt like, you know, I'm not innocent. Obviously, I attracted I attracted this experience. Well, I'll go deeper. So I think we've talked about I definitely have uh felt like I'm emotionally responsible from like this is a conditioning pattern from my mom, because I always felt like I was responsible for her emotionally. Yes, and I would attract people, relationships, friendships, where it was typically a can't actually, I think every single one was a cancer woman.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

What?

SPEAKER_00 49:10

Yeah, so I think the cancer woman is like cancer to me is the most paternal maternal sign. Yeah, they're like a nurturer, the moon.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Um so I would attract these relationships with a cancer woman who um I think would make me like emotionally responsible for them. And I would tend to attract people who maybe like needed help or like felt like I could, you know, it was like the savior complex. Um but I think like in the end they were like kind of like taking my energy or like a kind of like the psychic vampire thing. Yeah, obviously I'm responsible because it's like attracting that.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

Yeah, I hear that, which I appreciate actually, because so many people would not yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

So I remember feeling like this person, we kind of cut ties physically or yeah, and I always felt like there was some sort of like energy pulling on me from this person, yeah. And I being in the rest space, I remember saying, like, I want to know that everything is cut from this person.

SPEAKER_04 50:25

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Um, I want to clear it, I wanna like I realize what the relationship was, and I want to kind of move past this and not have this experience again where I attract this type of situation.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

So I do that. I feel the shift, I feel lighter. Um I haven't talked to this person probably in two years. And the first night I come back, I get a text from them.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

And was it do you did you feel it was sticky tethers? What was the energy of the chat?

SPEAKER_00 51:03

So this is this is this is what's interesting to me is that uh this is how I explained it is so the person asked me for help. That was the first like thing they said.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

And I said I first I said I responded question mark. And then they said to me, This is I love the the wording, and I definitely got verification that this is what I was supposed to do. Yeah. If anybody because it was I'll get into it, but um the wording was if you're open to talking, I need your help. So to me, the first thing I thought of was like the old myth of like vampires, like like you have to invite them in.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

That's totally what I get.

SPEAKER_00 51:57

Yeah. So I thought, like, oh, they're asking for my consent to like re-establish this connection.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

And I was just like, no.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

And as confirmation that they actually were feeding, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:12

Uh-huh. I mean, like, what are the chances of them texting me? Like, I know they could have reached out to me a thousand times.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

Well, Pete, you taught me, I think, I I I mean years ago, but I think you taught me when you cut a tie or tether to someone, it's really telling who who reaches back. And um, and they will, you know, because who notices your boundaries? Who reacts to your boundaries when they're truly set? You know, when you build that fence of stone, it's like you notice people react and you're like, that's interesting. Uh, you know, because that's interesting. I had, uh, I mean, I can't, I really can't talk about it on mic to be uh respectful, but you know more. Uh, and we can talk about it off recording, but I didn't realize how much I was getting, you know, exhausted by giving, giving, giving. And it was, and it's not that I'm keeping track of it. Um, and oh, is it mutual or whatever? And it's like it was literally draining me. And now that I've put up a boundary of like that was this is not okay. Um all of a sudden I have all this energy back because I didn't realize, you know. So you you got your confirmation though, besides your own intuition, which is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

Yeah, and it's like you uh I realized like wow, like I thought that was such like confirmation that they were pulling on me. Yeah, you know it sure is, and it it it's kind of like it was kind of like scary because then I was like, I said no, and then I blocked a number and you know, deleted it. Yeah, but it was just like wow, like exact confirmation.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

But that's how I love that you got the lesson so quickly because so often the universe is like, let's just do a pop quiz. Yeah, let's see if you really brought this home.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

So, you know, I was talking to my wife about it.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:18

That like one of the things this whole process did is like I feel like it it slowed down my thoughts. So the the thing that's crazy is like where, you know, maybe you're in your everyday life and there's like these like rolling thoughts and you're kind of hopping all over the place. This slowed it down, so then like you can kind of like actually like feel into each thought. Because I'll be honest, like part of me, it happened, and then there's like this little voice that came in and was like, but what if she really needs help? Yeah, and then I'm like, but it was my thoughts have slowed down so much from doing this that I'm like, wait a second, like this person is being parasitic to me, and I'm worried about them. Like, think about how fucked up that is.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

That is so fucked up, right?

SPEAKER_00 55:15

Like it's like you're you're feeling guilty for somebody who's been like leeching off your energy.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Well, and also I think that you're healing and you're really swimming in that space of grief that you never faced really, but it was always there with your uh friend, also helped you. I really do think that it aided you in this situation because I think part of also it wasn't just your mother. It was this this kind of guilt of like uh as a young man, as a uh you know, teenager going, I didn't help my friend. What if I make a different made a difference? And now you've really brought that full circle and said, There was nothing I could do because they were on a trajectory to do this. That was their faith. And then um they did it, but then also you had an experience without ties and tethers to help them to cross over. So I swear that relates to that. And I think it's all going to relate to your healing with your mom. I mean, you put a boundary up, which I think is it the hardest part of that, but I don't know, it's your experience. Who the fuck? What what do I know?

SPEAKER_00 56:21

No, well, I mean, so to tie that's why I'm saying to tie it all together. Yeah, like the thought comes in, like, oh, maybe she really needs help because of like these other patterns that all are kind of similar in a way, like, oh, I could have helped him.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

They're gradations of each other.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

So it's like a it's a whole, like, it's such a whole complete circle of like, oh, you couldn't help him. Like, you're not you're not responsible for this person. Yeah, not responsible for your mom. You're not it's it's all the same kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 56:55

They're all different flavors of yeah, they're all different flavors of Chobani yogurt.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

Yeah, I mean they're all. That like you're you're feeling like there's always somebody who has needs to be saved, you know?

SPEAKER_02 57:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

So both those experiences really like incredible healed the experience for me in general. Incredible. Like, wow, this is all connected. It all has to do with me trying to, you know, feeling like I need to help people or I need to save somebody, yeah, or like I'm responsible for them, even if it's detrimental to myself.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

Yeah. Oh my god, that's incredible. So, what what experience are you gonna do next? What are we gonna talk about the next time you come on? I feel like we need to send you out the man in the field.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Yeah, no, he he they also do it's like a different dance. It's called um, they're doing it in September, actually. He's looking, so they're you know, they're a non-for-profit, so they're looking for people. Maybe I could give you their website and their information if people or um support in any way, but they look for people to help work because they're like building this home. They're building like a house, it's really like a shade house on the land for people who are dancing because you're dancing in the desert, so you might need a break from the sun.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

But um it's this beau, it's a a beautiful place in New Mexico. Um, I think it's called Abuque, or I'm probably butchering that. Sorry. But it's right next to this place called Plaza Blanco, which is like this mountain trail that's all white in the middle of the desert. And then there's like you look the other direction, there's the rock, the start of like the Rocky Mountains, uh, and then another direction is um this like famous like mountain plateau that some famous artist painted. And now I'm not giving good information.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

That's okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

But you literally like look, you do a 360, and everywhere you look is like a scenic view.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Powerful scenic view.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Yeah, and Rick himself told me that uh he actually the way he found this land was through a dream. He like had a dream and he saw this 360 view.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

And he was looking for land and he walked the land and he realized that he did a walk around and realized like that was what he saw in his dream.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 59:38

Yeah, so they do it's incredible. That that dance in New Mexico is called uh, I believe the the dance of the cosmic dancer. And that's more of like a cosmic universe where like the dance we did, the sun moon dance, is more related to like humanity itself.

SPEAKER_02 59:55

Yeah, so this is more the cosmos because you would have this darkness at night, you'd see the stars like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

Oh my god, I was out there, I went out there once already, and like the clarity you see the sky out there is like I must have seen 20 shooting stars while I was out there, just like wowing up the stars. Yeah, so um, yeah, so they do a bunch of dances. I think I believe Joseph's Joseph's daughter also holds dances. I think I told you in Colorado.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

Colorado, yeah. So I'm gonna try to do that in October sometime when I'm back there.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

I will. Yeah, so you know, um, it's a great cause. I feel like everybody there definitely got something out of it. And uh yeah, I feel like a new per a different person, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:51

Wow, or well, the same person, but just kind of I I don't want to say leveled up because it isn't that, but it's like just it's almost like there are exoskeletons crack and then and they we're able to expand in a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Yeah, well, I also well, I think I've talked to you about the hollow bone, which is the belief that like the clearer you are, the more the divine can like move through you. So the more you heal any unresolved trauma, you know, the more spirit can work through you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

So I think I maybe cleared some of the some of the bone.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

Some of the grizzle.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Well, I'm so glad to hear it. Just promise us you'll come back after your next journey. Yeah. And uh and send me the links because uh for anybody listening, I'll put it in the show notes so they can support what Rick's doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

Yeah. Thank you.