From Woo to Daily Grind with Leslie Fear, author & host of Because I Wanna Know

Leslie Fear is an author, a podcast producer and host, and a all-around dynamic, wonderful person.

Our conversation Was the opposite of other episodes - we went woooooo woooooo right off the bat, then gravitated back to the everyday trials and tribulations of being a human at this time. 

Messages from her dear departed mother helped us feel better. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:16

That's never not weird.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Okay. Well, it's not weird, Julie.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Don't do it. It's too soon. I'm gonna just call you.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

I'm gonna call you. I'm like, what can I call you? Not Jesse. I'm gonna call you Walter White. For all the breaking bad fans instead of Jesse.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

It's so like 2015.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

You're so he's so salty. So today we have a very special guest. So, like, come on, Jesse, button up your shirt. We have a very special guest, Leslie Fear. She's an author like us, but she hosts her own show because I want to know. And I'm gonna say, you need to add, like, you're a producer of your show as well. And I am so excited to have you back on my show because I think you were a season two, you know, guest of the show. It must have been late season one or early season two. And we are TikTok friends and texting friends, and we have a lot of friends in common, including Miss Molly Nose. So welcome to the show, Leslie.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

How are you? I am great, Jennifer. And I got your name right after knowing you for years. What is wrong with me? Anyway, uh we gotta quit doing that. Uh I am doing it is thanks a lot, Jesse. Good job, good job. Uh no, you know, sure thing, Lori. Stop so bad. No, you know, I am so impressed with the people I've had on, including you, Julie. Kidding. I'm kidding, Jennifer. See, I need to quit. I need to stop being funny. Anyway, no, including you, Jennifer. And you know why? It's because, you know, when I have all these different people on, yeah, I get all these different perspectives from every single angle. And your perspective and Jesse's perspective, if he talks about anything like we talk about today. He does, he does, you know, and I am so fascinated by it. And it also brings more listeners in, they're like, oh my gosh, I feel exactly the way Jennifer felt, or I feel exactly the way Jesse felt. And it's just it opens people's eyes. And I love that we can all talk about it and learn and evolve and grow our souls. I know that sounds cliche, but it's just the truth.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

I think it's beautiful. And Jesse doesn't even know any of, and you know, I think a lot of my listeners will know it, but actually it's been a while for them, and it reminds them to tap back into your show because you do get to talk to really cool people. Near death experiencers, I always listen to those episodes twice, they just blow my mind.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

Well, you know, and they all say the same things, the same three core things. The other side is more real than here. They did not want to come back, and there's no religion on the other side.

unknown 3:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

Every single time. I have and and you know, and I'm like, well, tell me why. How did you know that? When I went there, you know, when we got there, that you know, I had one near death experiencer tell me, she goes, you know, this is how I felt about life and earth and the whole thing. Once I realized I wasn't in my body. Yeah. She goes, you know how like when you go out and you garden and you're really hot and you're sweating, you take all your clothes off and you just put them in a pile and you get in the shower, you come out. The last thing you want to do is put those dirty, gross clothes back on. That's how you feel about your body. When you're up there looking down, going, Oh, it's of no consequence. I don't care if you just had a baby, I don't care if you just got married, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

None of that matters. It feels like heavy and just like a burdensome and a theme, like a load. It does.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

And it's so much more real, they say, there than it is here. Like we are just, I believe we are slivers of source, God, whatever. I'm not religious, so I say source mostly.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

And we are slivers of source experiencing itself.

unknown 4:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

So we're all God, we're all source. You know what I mean? So we come here to be bad, we come here to be good, we come here to be serial killers, we come here to be priests, we come here to be good people that don't need religion, we come here to be bad people that have to have religion. It's it's just it runs different sexes, it runs the gamut. We evolve our souls, we understand, and it's like, how did Jennifer feel about this? How did Jessie feel about this? I have a daughter named Jessie, so it's kind of crazy. But they want all of your experiences, they want to understand how you felt about it and your perspective. Like you were on a hike and you made a video about it, and you you said it made your soul just soar, just it relaxed you, it made you feel at peace with the world. And that is something that you experienced that you added to the collective. I know I'm getting really woo-woo. No, I love it. But you added that to the collective, and that can only do good things.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Yeah, we need more of that, I think. Because yeah, you know, I I'm gonna say it because if we're all slivers of source, that means that the orange chicken bucket is part of it. Orange chicken bucket, I love it. This is Jesse's invention, and it makes it feel so much less personal and more like personal. What kind of uh like I always think of my friend Karen Rontowski. Yes, just think to myself, this is the most hilarious um apocalypse ever.

unknown 5:43

Like, good boy.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Well, no, and he is a sliver, he is a sliver of sores. I mean, you know, like my own dad, and Jesse, you don't know this, but I can communicate with my mother and my father who have both passed away. I have psychics on my podcast who said, just keep talking to them. And so I tried first it was with my mom. I tried and tried, couldn't get anything. And finally I was like, Mom, if you're really there, what do you do all day?

SPEAKER_00 6:06

And I hope that you're asking her to account for her time on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

Mom, what's your schedule over there? What's your schedule like? Would you take coffee? Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

And I hear Okay, well, like, what was her schedule over there?

SPEAKER_03 6:20

Well, I hear I'm a greeter. And I didn't know what that meant. That's how I knew it wasn't me talking. And I was like, what? I know. And I it then it was kind of an instant little download. I can't explain how I get it. It's just all of a sudden I knew what she what she was trying to tell me. She says, I help cross over people that maybe don't have a recent loved one who has passed, like children. So she's like this friendly, familiar, she's a friendly face, because you know, we are eternal beings, so we kind of all know each other, you know what I mean? So, and they recognize maybe her essence or soul or whatever. I'm sure when they first pass, like any near-death experiencer that I've talked to, they actually see humans on the other side, even though that's just them presenting themselves how they recognize them. So, and anyway, she said, I'm a greeter, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, what? And so, and now we can talk. Now I can ask her things, and she tells me a lot of certain things that you know I ask, but there's something she's like, Listen, you came down here at this time for a reason. I am not gonna spoil it for you, whether it's good or bad. You have to have that experience without my help, without anyone's help. I'll help you through it, but I'm not gonna tell you what's gonna happen. So she told me, she said, you know, our orange chicken bucket, is that right? Yeah, orange chicken bucket. Yeah, our orange chicken bucket. Um, yeah, he came here to do what he's doing. And my dad, who was a horrible person in life, now that I'm close to him, he came to do what he, but he is an amazing soul on the other side. They're all amazing on the other side, they don't have that human, you know, ego and that you okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

I have two questions, and I feel like it's like a like two things I want to ask simultaneously. First of all, would you say that you're closer to your mother now than you were even in life?

SPEAKER_03 8:15

100%.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

That is beautiful. 100%. Yeah. Second of all, do you think you had a part in your father? Because you said he was not a good person on earth. That's the role he was playing here. But he's a beautiful soul. Did you have a role in the evolution of him? And I am like trying not to cry right now.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Oh, you know, what because I could talk to my mom first. I was talking to her and something came up. I guess my dad had passed away right after she did, uh, maybe a couple of years. And my brother was the only one that stayed in contact with him. And I told mom, I said, I guess he's up there. I guess you can talk to him. And she goes, Why don't you try to talk to him? And I'm like, No, she goes, I thought you forgave you. I'm like, I did. She goes, just talk to him. She knows, she knows I probably didn't really forgive him. And I'm like, I don't want to talk to the SLB. And she goes, just talk to him. So finally one night I got brave. My husband was sleeping next to me, and I was like, Okay, Dad, it's your turn. Are you there? Are you there? Nothing. Didn't get anything for I don't know how long, probably five attempts uh within about you know a month or so. But finally I got that. Are you there? And I hear him say, Yes, I'm in solitary confinement. And I'm like, What? He goes, that's the closest in the in and how he made me feel is that was the closest thing he could describe as to where he was. And I said, Do you feel source? He goes, Oh yeah, source is all around me. I'm doing this to myself. And I'm like, What? I mean, I'm like freaking out because I'm like, how am I getting this crap? And finally I said, Well, I start kind of feeling sorry for him because he's like, Yeah, I can hear people kind of moaning and groaning and screaming, and I'm like, that sounds terrible. And he goes, Well, yeah, it's just where I am. And I said, Well, like I said, I kind of felt sorry for him. And I said, Well, is there something I can do? Believe it or not, actually, that was one of the first things I asked him. Is there something I can do? And he goes, The fact that you're talking to me right now will help me get out of here. He goes, I didn't think you'd ever try to contact me.

unknown 10:19

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

And he, yeah, I know. This is emotional.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I know. I'm I'm wiping my eyes. Would you would you equate that, you think, to the concept of purgatory?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Maybe that's a Catholic kind of reference. So I don't really believe in the religious part of it. I think it's a self-induced, I'm still hanging on to my human. So I'm going to not, I mean, I'm in the because he was in the light. He was still with Source. But Source says, if that's what you want to do to make yourself feel better, knock yourself out. Because I'm still getting to experience that too. What's it like to be in solitary confinement? How do you feel? How are you going to get yourself out? We're going to all learn together.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

You know? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, do you think because if we come in, you know, think about it. If if your human soul, you die, you come into it with the constructs that you pull in from the other side. Like, you know, so if you are Catholic, Jesse, just I think that if like a person is Catholic, they're like, there's a heaven, there's a purgatory, and there's hell. And I can fight my way out of purgatory by doing certain things, whatever. Yeah, then that would be very real for them. That's my thought on it. Sure. Because that's their construct. It doesn't make it real or not real. It's been my journey to try to let go of some of those definitions or some of those constructs in my head. I'm not even even, I wasn't even conscious of. And I'm trying to make them so that I'm conscious of them and go, I'm gonna let that go because I want the experience to be that it's wonderful and I can go in with all the knowledge and um information that my soul gathered in this life, and right, I won't have to come back.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Right. And you know, people say, Oh, I'm never coming back. Trust me, you're probably gonna come back so many more times. Because the thing is, you know, we need the contrast. We're up there and it's bliss and we love it. Yeah, and and then we're like, oh man, I really miss being physical. I miss tasting things, I miss touching people, I miss seeing certain things that I can't see here, feeling things because everything's bliss, you know. But it's funny you say that about purgatory because I did have a uh near-death experience her say on my podcast, she was a good Catholic girl. She had just lost her very best friend, uh, a man that she'd known for years and years, and then she got sick right after him, and she was in the hospital, and they it they put her in an induced coma, but she also feels like she died during that time because she said, I went, I was a good Catholic girl, and I went straight to hell. I'm like, what? You know, and yeah, so she feels like she was there like two years because there's no time, as you guys know. There's no time on the other side. No, there isn't, it's like an illusion. So she felt like she was there for two years. Yeah, and finally, you know, she gone through all those horrible things. She was telling me, describing all the things. I won't go into that. But finally, at one point, she started singing a Christmas carol because it was supposedly Christmas on Earth, and she started singing her favorite Christmas carol, and she got out of that horrible space, went into another like realm light area, and saw the guy that was her best friend. And he smiled at her and he goes, See, it was all in your head. Oh my goodness sakes. Because she was so indoctrinated.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

I'm sorry to say that, but it's just the way this was, yeah. I feel like that's this journey, Jesse. Would you ever do that? Would you ever reach out to someone that that you know had had passed and see if, like, you know, I think about Leslie's relationship with her mom, and it's like she was like, okay, I'm just gonna try talking to her. And then it's a voice that's not you. That's yeah, that's how you know it's not you, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Because the words come and yeah, the words come and I'm like, I didn't think that. I wasn't thinking I'm a greeter, I didn't even know what that was.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

I mean, I and when I say purgatory, I'm talking about more of like a plane of existence, yeah. You know, not necessarily any with any dogma attached to the concept. Um, no, I I don't I I don't really I haven't had to seek uh those the those people out, they find me.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Do they? Yeah, but but that means that like I think about us as human souls is like we're you know, we're all everybody is psychic. I think everybody can be a medium. You do too, Leslie. Yeah, and it's just a matter of um if you feel drained or exhausted, you know, Jesse, right? You can just turn off the receiver, turn off the radios so that you don't have to receive it because being open all the time feels it's a drain. I've done that in the past because it was so exhilarating when I first started getting messages. I'm like, this is exhilarating, but then it kind of drains your energy. So if they're coming to you, you must be consenting on your higher level or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

I'll tell you what happened to me, and you two tell me what you think. So when my father was in in in very bad shape, um, he had been in a coma for months, and it reached that point where you sit down with all the doctors and there's no activity, and it's this isn't gonna turn around, and it's not a thing, you know.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

And so uh I went with my mother and my sister. We drove to the hospital, uh, because we were going to well, I was because they they couldn't do it, but we were all on the same page. I was gonna sign the papers uh to, you know, the okay, whatever happens, happens. If he if it's time for him to pass on, he passes on, which was pretty heavy.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

It would be such a heavy thing to do.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

So we park in the parking garage connected to the hospital, and uh we're walking to the elevators, and my mom's phone rings. She looks down at it and then looks back up at me with this strange look on her face, and she answers, and it's my father. What? What? Yeah. So he had he had woken from his coma about a half hour before, and remembered my father remembered my mother's phone number, her cell phone number, and had the nurse call for him. Wow. Because he didn't know where he was.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Oh, all that confusion.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Oh my gosh. Yes. And he was awake for about a month.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

He was yeah. Was he um and then was he able to speak then during that time? Oh, yeah, sure, sure. But he was still hospitalized.

SPEAKER_02 17:19

Yeah, and I mean they they eventually had to put him back on a vent and stuff like that. But yeah, you know, um, so for him to have been totally as far as medic, you know, as far as you know, all the doctors and stuff were telling us he was gone, but he was not gone. And uh he told me that he had been in Philadelphia living underneath the bridge. Oh what during the coma? Yeah, and I was in the process of writing uh about a bridge uh in my in my novel. So my god, yeah, so that's so there you go. So when people tell me, you know, oh yeah, you know, who knows what happens when you're the other side, you know, and that's just one of my things, you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

I'm just like, yeah, something else is it feels to me, I think that there's this genetic connection between us, and maybe so then it's like it's like a better phone line to analogy. I don't know what else, right? And so maybe he gathered that he was looking over your shoulder while he was in that plane, almost like astrally traveling and like reading over your shoulder what you were up to, and it made this new space where he could land. This is what I was. I was in Philadelphia for some reason, living under a bridge. But then the other thing is when the family said to you, You need to be the one to sign that we take him off the machines, it's his time. He was like, Wait a second, we're real here. I actually have some conversations I still want to have in the flesh with people. I got stuff I have to do, maybe it's from a hospital room. But my feeling is that he's like, Oh, you were about to make that decision, and it clarified for me a decision. Have you guys ever gone? I swear it relates. Have you guys ever gone to you have family run? You're like, what do you want to eat tonight? And everybody's like, I don't know, I don't know. And then some all you have to do is throw out spaghetti or burgers, and somebody's like, Oh, I actually want Thai food. It clarifies your decision-making process, right? To be given a couple options. So I think that your maybe your dad's soul heard that he knew what you guys were going to do. And he's like, Oh, wait a second, I'm going to make a choice. I want to stick around a little longer to have some conversations, which leads to my next question. I feel like he probably used the next month productively. Did he have some unresolved stuff or just kind of some conversations of even as simple as I love you? You maybe he didn't say I love you all that much or whatever. And maybe he he fought for a few days to do that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

I feel like it was more for my mom and my sister. They needed the closure. Yeah, you know what I mean? Um before you know, before. Um, and and he hadn't had he hadn't been able to, you know, have those conversations with them before. Yeah, yeah. Um yeah, I mean, I was I was, you know, we we were good. So um I think it was more for them. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

And but you know, at the same time, you just said it. So when people tell you in your life, well, I don't know what happens after we die, you already probably had a strong hunch, but it's like there is actual proof, nobody can take that away from you. So now it's like you're stalwart, you're steadfast. This is my position because I lived it.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Yeah, and then like about six months later, like someone contacted, he contacted me through someone else. Oh wow, so um, yeah, I mean, something's going on. I don't know what the exact process is, but it it's it's it it doesn't just stop.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

Yeah, well, what I understand too, what my mom kind of explains, she says, you know, honey, when you sleep, because people are like, Oh, I don't dream, I don't do the body has to sleep, the mind has to sleep. Your spirit never does. So your spirit can go anywhere it wants. I don't care if it's in a coma, I don't care if you're dreaming, I don't care if you are just uh under just anesthesia. It doesn't matter because your spirit's like, yay, we can go do whatever we want, you know. And that's when people can astral travel, that's when people can um, of course, lucid dream, but they're really on the other side. So, you know, we you know, we need the rest, but our spirits don't. So your dad absolutely watches that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Yeah, that makes that makes absolute sense. That's why some of us can't meditate.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

No, because maybe uh I know you just you've had a little bit of a turn that on. You don't have to turn it on. It's still meditation.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

I'm kidding with you, Judy.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

I know you are Tuesday.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, that's gonna be an ongoing joke. I'm so sorry, Jennifer. But but I'm just gonna I'm gonna get so much traction out of this. Oh my gosh. Do you have abilities? Like, are you a medium or what what would you classify yourself?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

I am told by people that I trust that I have a shamanic thing going on. I have no idea what any of that means. I literally was just on eBay last night ordering books about shamanism.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

So is it kind of like a knowing? Like a shaman seem to have that wisdom about them and curiosity.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

I don't I don't know if you can attach wisdom to me, but um I but but I I I get the weird signals from the universe, and to me, I think they're real and they mean something, but uh you know again, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Well, you guys have you guys noticed that like when you interview people like me and you guys talk amongst yourselves, there is a soul knowing that this is correct, yeah. All of that, and I think that's all a lot of what we all have in common. I may tell you something you haven't heard of, and you may tell me something I haven't heard of, but when I hear it, I'm like, oh, that's I know that's right. And you don't know where you know that, but it's correct.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

I trust Jen in things like this. Like if Jen, thank you. If Jen comes to me and says, like, hey, Leslie's gonna be on the podcast, and like she does this, and like you know, I'm like, all right, if Jen's uh if if Jen if Jen is cool, then yeah, I'm cool too. Oh, she's I don't think she listened to you guys. Oh no, you are.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

I mean okay, but it's like three, it's amazing. I'm in standing in the company of pretty freaking amazing people.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

But if somebody, but if somebody came to me and they were like, hey, I do this and this and that, you know, and uh and Jim was like, I don't know, I'd be like, All right, yeah, no, yeah, yeah. But then sometimes it's just I didn't know. I use Jim as my meter. I use her as she's like, she's like my she's like my uh I'm your Walmart greeter, she's my woo-meter, your your discernment.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Yeah, yeah. I mean, because it's it's so funny that we talk about all these things, and a lot of people that I've talked to on my podcast that maybe aren't in this realm because I interview other people like morticians and people that have been in prison because I try to spread awareness. But sometimes, but a lot of times they go woo-too. And then I'm like, yeah, well, let me tell you what I know. And they're like, oh my gosh, that is so true. So it doesn't actually have to always be people that we all kind of align with. It can be people that you can spread awareness and go, okay, so this was your time in prison. And what did you have to eat? Because I'm so curious. And what was your daily routine and all that? What how did you feel at night when it was just you, hopefully, just you and one cell and not anybody else with you, because that would be horrible. Yeah. Uh, I would not want to have to share anything. Uh, and a lot of them say at night it becomes a spiritual thing for me. And that's and I escape myself through a lot of them astral travel. Yeah, they do, they do, and a lot of them read books about it and then they do it. So they all not, and I'm not saying all of them do. I'm just saying a couple that I've interviewed, they did the exact same thing, and I was blown away. And I was like, How is this possible?

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Well, consider the chaos that somebody is thrown into, yeah, can get into that sort of trouble where they have to go to prison. Yeah, and your life is just like is just like chaos, fast, fast, chaos, fast, fast, fast. Yeah, they've never had the the they've never had the the benefit of time to do any sort of reflection, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:03

For the most part, and they have to work on their imagination too. Yeah, and they have to work on that that oh my gosh, how do I get out of this? I, you know, and they may get a book or two or whatever, because they do, I think, give them books in certain ones in certain prisons and stuff. They really truly try to expand their spirituality, and a lot of them, one of them became a pastor, but he was a whole different kind of pastor than I've ever heard of. So he was more about spiritual pastoring, you know, and they all loved it.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

So, but I mean how you got there is different, but how how is it much different than like dedicating yourself to something like becoming a monk? Right, you know what I mean? That's such a good point, yeah, absolutely. You're gonna have lots of time to reflect and maybe even learn how to meditate because you got all that downtime, but you know, it's not guaranteed.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Some people say I've heard people say like quantum physics is really just um spirituality explained through science.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

It is. I think you have a fan club with that comment, that is so true.

SPEAKER_03 27:07

It is, it really does. And I'm like, it's true because think about it, I understand physics. I am not a person that understands math by any stretch. I don't mean like I understand physics, I can I can put equations up. I'm just saying when they explain it to me, like, oh yeah, that drops. Yeah, I get that. And how the heck would I know that?

SPEAKER_02 27:26

As soon as as soon as they hand me the the the piece of chalk or whatever and say, Yeah, okay, do the math, then I'm out. Yeah, but as far as the concepts go, I'm all in.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Right? Right, Leslie, with all the people that you have brought on the show, was there ever a time because you are such an open person to other people's experience? You're so deeply empathetic. Like, I get emotional if right now talking about you, you're just a good soul, you're a good soul. Like you like expand yourself, and the way that you interview is second to none. But has there ever been anything that you're like, whoa, I think I hit a wall where they've gone too far? Can I accept this? I'm gonna take this premise, I'm going to still be here in the in the interview. And then you kind of came out the other side, even during maybe audio edits, and you're like, I feel like I grew a bit where I didn't know I had a wall up or something. Has there any been any moments like that?

SPEAKER_03 28:28

You know, there have, but then I I also have it in my back. This is a good question, by the way. But I also have it in the back of the mind, just because that's not my reality and that's not what I experience doesn't mean it's not right.

unknown 28:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

So I have to go how just because it sounds mundane, but that's powerful. It's it well, it is because you had that experience in your Jennifer, you had that experience in your video about how it just went past your soul. You loved watching that skydiver. Yeah. And your or the glider. Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

It was like a I think it was like a little skydiver.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

Yeah, and and he had the little glider thing. Yeah. And and it it moved you in a whole different way that may not move other people. And it's the same kind of premise where just because I don't get the same kind doesn't mean I can't expand my soul and my evolution of it and go, wow, let me join you in your experience in that and tell you, I get why you thought that was cool. I get why you think that was incredible. But some people, I understand what some people I did have somebody on the podcast that was talking about chemtrails, and I took it out because that's just cock out of me.

unknown 29:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Chemtrails over the country club.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

Yeah, I I can't, I can, you know, but she had other beautiful things, and I but I did take that out because I do not want anyone thinking that I would ever think that that was something that was real in my discernment.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

I'm not saying I've taken a few things out too in my past where it's like, you know what? I don't know if they know how this could land on somebody else's ears, and I don't want to be in that space. Like I didn't want it to be awkward. I mean, yeah, and so I just pulled it out. And sometimes I would email Jesse, and Jesse's like, you know, listen to your instinct, you do what's feels right, and then I would do it and it felt so good. Yeah, but a lot of times they don't remember what they tell you.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Yeah, so you know, feel right about that.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

There's amnesia.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Like, I don't remember what I told you, but I I know I had fun. Well, I mean, honestly, not to be disrespectful to the guests or anything, but like uh I if they need to talk, you know, if they need to see the manager, come see me.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Exactly. It's y'all's show, and it's it's the same thing with you know, people that think the earth is flat. I just I can't I can't uh let people think that I'm interviewing you because I agree with you. There's some associated with it.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

I feel like that delves into like silly conspiracy theory. Oh, yeah, out of the, you know, I mean I realize all of this stuff is supposedly kind of in the same jar, but it's really not, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Yeah, no, it isn't.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

I mean if you're convinced that the earth is flat, I uh first off, I I don't really think we're gonna have a conversation in the first place, right? You know, I mean the if you just happen to slip that in, it's probably gonna get edited out because I'm gonna be like, well, people are gonna think that people are gonna think that I think the earth is flat.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

No, I know, and then the flat earthers, okay, they went on this expedition. I always think of Winnie the Pooh when I go expedition, right? Because the anyway, Winnie the Pooh reference when you have kids that are all grown up, but they went with this group to see the actual sun setting in Antarctica or something, and they were like still not believing that the earth is anything but flat. I mean, can you imagine spending that amount of time and money on the case? And then they would keep thinking.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

That's not even ignorance. That that is like uh that's just uh that's just like I'm five and I'm crossing my arms and it's like the orange chicken bucket voters, they can't admit that they're wrong, they can't admit that they're wrong, they can't and they won't.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

I don't care if they're gonna be able to do that. I don't it doesn't matter what you tell them because I asked my husband, I'm like, why? Why they're exhausting me? What is going on? And he's like, honey, they just can't be wrong. I don't care if he does everything that against exactly what they voted for, all the things you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Honestly, sort of reality has gotten so ridiculous to me that I don't even pay attention to it anymore. That's really not a good thing. I'm came to the point where I feel like I'm wasting my time. Yeah, yeah. You know, because I'm like, okay, whatever you think, whatever you're whichever team you're on, or whatever, like nobody's gonna convince anyone else if you're that hardcore, it's all a cult uh on on both sides that extreme, and like uh it's it's literally just a waste of time.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

I don't even listen to political podcasts anymore because I'm just like, okay, that's huge because that was taxing your soul, and then it was the last month, which is why I had to stop doing it.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

I had to stop watching the news. I mean, I I know what's going on, I get I get bullet points from Aaron Parness or whoever I will comes on my feed, might as touch or whatever. But then I I'm out and my husband's like, he can watch the news, and he's he's my little cancer, whatever he is. I don't know what his rising sign is, but um, I'd have to look at his time. But anyway, he is the most down-to-earth, doesn't believe in any of the crap we're talking about, but supports the crap out of me, and he's just the best human. He volunteers at a at a dog shelter. He used to drive for meals on wheels. He doesn't have to be a good human and be religious, he's just a good freaking human. Yeah, and I I I have to tell you guys, and I may get some flack for this, I blame religion for a lot of this crap with the orange chicken bucket.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

I blame religion for a lot of things because the institution itself is so toxic. I mean, fill in the blank misogyny, um, you know, power structure, the spiritual gatekeeping. I mean, don't get me on an apple crate because it's like this whole when you make a profit by being the middleman between the the seeker and universe, the energy, god, goddess, whatever they want to call it, it's like, and you position yourself as a middleman and you take the coins on the river sticks, it's like that is just wrong. Yes, I found it kind of interesting though, because I'm not religious. Um, I'm I'm spiritual, highly spiritual and very connected to my my spirit guides and my angels, but I've been really loving the tweets of our Pope right now.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

He's like, but he's but but that's that goes to say there are some religious people like James Tyler Rico in Texas, I'm in Texas, who is a pastor and a Democrat and says amazing things to where I want to cry. It almost makes me want to go to church, and I would never do that because I don't want to go to church. I'm just saying is he like very pro-human and he's pro-take care of the sick, take care of the homeless, take care of doesn't matter if you're gay, doesn't matter if you're black, it doesn't matter, none of that. He's the most amazing person who's going against the most corrupt guy, of course, we have in Texas. And I hope he wins because we're religious enough to where I hope that that would be the the reason, which is kind of sad, but um, that we have to even have that conversation involved in politics, but we do. So, oh I got I went vol I went to politics. I mean it's sorry.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Look, it's uh it's designed to keep us divided and not having dialogue and discussion with each other. Yeah, yeah, and that way that you know, and while we're busy arguing with each other, there's they're robbing us blind, yeah, and taking everything else out of the back door while we're not paying attention. Yeah, that's what I think about it. You know what I mean? And not saying not not, you know, and not saying that like both sides are you know the same or any of that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

I think that there's some corrupt stuff on the other side too. But you know, my mom told me this had to happen, and even the astrology says it, even if Kamala had won, this would have happened. The astrology is very potent for all of this to happen.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

There's a there's a to me, there's a larger issue with how we're being manipulated with social media and things like that. Uh and I mean I hate to sound like a broken record like everybody else, but billionaires aren't helping us right now, they're they're they're harming us. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Oh, absolutely. I totally agree. And I don't even really think they're a suck on society. I think it should be illegal to be a billionaire. I know that's a little far left, but that's how I feel. Because you're hoarding all the money you can't you can't spend in a lifetime, you can't even spend that kind of money in their mindset.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

We like we make fun of, and I'm not Jesse. I'm trying not to say the name because like I feel like we took a break from mentioning calling him out, but he and his new wife have this routine that went viral.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

So everybody immediately knows who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Yes, but they have, oh, let's let's do a let's do a meditation together and yoga on our bajillion dollar estate, and then we're gonna write in our happiness and gratitude journal. And it's like, oh my god, you're so checked out with the actual state of the world and the people working for your company that are having to pee in bottles because they can't take a break to use the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Yeah, they don't have any clue what the the average American's life is like.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

No, they don't.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

They like they they they they have they have concierge healthcare, they they they never wait in the TSA line, they never go to the grocery store, they don't it doesn't matter to them what anything costs, yeah. Yeah, so it's kind of like uh why would you let these people be in charge of your livelihood?

SPEAKER_01 38:03

I miss that actually. Do you guys remember um the because maybe I'm dating myself, but remember when politicians actually would get the gotcha question during debates of how much is a gallon of milk? How much is a loaf of bread? How much is a gallon of gasoline? And it was a big gotcha because you would get people that were so clueless about the struggle of every person out there that's gonna vote for them when they had literally no clue what the cost.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

I don't think that's relevant anymore because they just have an intern like keep up with you know, constantly on their phone, like uh, hey, milk just went up four cents, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

Um but you know guys, I bought don't do that. Well, you know, you know, guys, every single one of either side, every single politician, every single person on this planet, we are here to witness, and it's really kind of an exciting time right now. Yeah, we're here to witness the downfall of the United States because it usually happens the big, you know, every 250 years, a big empire usually falls. That's just how astrology works, from what I understand with all the astrologers I interview. And it's just it's just what happens every 250 years. Pluto's return is when that happens. It's the fall of Rome, the fall, and then we also have this when wars come every 84 years. You know, it was the um um American Revolution, then it was a civil war, then it was World War II. I mean, all of these wars were about the same exact time where where the planets are now. So it was going to happen. But this is a really exciting time because we are witnessing something that a lot of people don't get to witness. They don't get to witness the entire rebranding of their country and or world because this isn't just affecting us, it's affecting us globally.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Yeah, it sure is. Yeah, well, you know, and I think that I keep making jokes with Jesse of like, I think we killed AI. Like, I think our um conversations about AI have changed the zeitgeist. It's been so fun to do shows and then two months later see people really caring about the data centers and the impact on Mother Earth and how it relates, is that I really feel like the the AI bubble is gonna pop. It's just a matter of who has the the needle that's gonna poke it to the point where they can't salvage it. And our entire economy, the way that um companies are refusing to hire human beings and they've been replacing them with AI, and it's an abject failure, it is going to pop and it's gonna be so dramatic that that alone is gonna be an economic the um iceberg that just flips over, and we all go, Wow, that was dramatic. Everybody was talking about the polar shift, there's gonna be a polar shift in all that about a year and a half ago. And I'm like, I think the polar shift is actually the it's it's the civilization is gonna flip-flop. It's not like our magnetic fields um on north and south poles. I literally think it's I think it's gonna be the upheaval of AI, it's gonna be really dramatic. And um, because they keep trying to prop it up and um it's inevitable. We we listen to one of our very we love uh futurism. Victor Tangeman is one of our favorite uh journalists of all time, but then there's Ed Zitron who does uh better offline and he tracks the bags of money and it's all fake. It's like they just it's like a shell game. They just pretend that okay, OpenAI just got a billion dollars worth of funding, and then they hand the bag to so and such, who hands the bag to so and such, um, just to make each other look like they're actually bringing in revenue. So it's been kind of interesting because I didn't realize how fast it was gonna work, but they switched to this token-based purchasing, and so everybody's seeing how much it actually costs to use the AI, and they're shocked. Like there is going to be on somebody's uh tax bill because they're gonna try to write it off, $500 million. They spent half a billion dollars accidentally last week. And yeah, yeah, it's gonna be so interesting because it's a publicly held company, uh, member of that publicly held company, and we will find out who that company is. I suspect it's Microsoft, but I don't know. Yeah, so I wonder if that is part of this 250-year kind of like overthrow. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Because we have 400 data centers in Texas alone.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

Oh there's a you know, uh there's a map. Uh Aaron Brockovich just put out up an interactive map. Shows the data centers all of them. Yeah. And I sent it to you. I sent it to you.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

You did. Yeah. She's she's doing good work. And we're on our own grid here in Texas, because of course we are, because what the heck are stupid, yes. And uh, you know, we had a hard time keeping up with just the amount of people that live here, let alone 400 data centers, and they're wanting more. I'm like, how fast do I need to be able to Google something to get an answer? I don't need to be we're good. Stop with this nonsense, we're done. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

It it's gonna stop. Yeah, it is, yeah, it is already stopping. Not because they want it to stop, but it's gonna stop.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Yeah, yeah. It's it's already stopping, and that's why I love Aaron Brockovich going out with this because she's she's showing that they're they're lying about the data centers that are completed. I'm so sure they're going to be completed. I know that they're lying.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Yeah, there's a couple of them, but they that they they that the only like the only pictures they have of them are like a couple of dudes like working and there's like a couple of girders up, and like that's you know, and they're counting that as it's under construction, you know. Right, like it's not Leslie.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

Did you follow the young women that were out of Utah? That were fighting that shark tank guy, Kevin, what's his name? On the leary or something about the data center. And he was like, They're Chinese agents. I can't believe this. And they're just like, Hello, Kevin. Uh, we're not, we're just Utah girls that we're kind of pissed about. We don't want this happening to our state. And he's from Canada. If you want one, get one in Canada.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

Why are you doing it here?

SPEAKER_02 44:24

They won't let him. That's why he's here for okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

But you know what? You know, this is what I asked my mom because one thing I she does tell me certain things. And I said, Mom, because I'm, you know, it's the orange chicken bucket kills me. Okay. I know he every day. It's so hard for me to even look at him, let alone listen to him.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

That's why I love your TikToks where you're just making fun of him. You're like, oh yeah. And they go horror movies. Don't even go to the comedy.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

So much AI bot on those. But anyway, I know it's so bad. And I said, Mom, what's tell me this isn't going to last for me? And she said, and and she said it like this. Honey, it's going to be over quicker than you think. It's going to get a little worse before it gets better, but we're already rock bottom. You're used to it, so don't worry about it. But it's going to, it's going to end quicker than you think. And I said, Well, what about all the other nations that are making fun of us that hate us? She goes, You got to quit thinking that way because guess what? They know it's this administration. They know it's not the people. They know it's this administration. She said, When you have somebody that's a freaking grown-up that will be uh uh, you know, in the in the White House with a grown-up administration, things will be not maybe right back to where they were, but they're actually gonna get better because we we will have not we have everything to prove now. We will have to be so transparent in everything we do, and we will have to have the leadership that can have the balls to do that.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

And I don't think it's all gonna snap back into place.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

No, no, no. She didn't say it like she just said the administration, this administration will not be much longer. That'll be over before you know it.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Yeah, it's it's gonna be a situation, you know. We we've we've lost trust with a lot of people and a lot of other countries that other countries as far as is diplomatic relations and how they source things and where they have things manufactured, they have been forced to to redo all of that because of things like the tariffs, which are whatever you believe are literally the the the dumbest thing imaginable, and it's just a way for them to manipulate the markets.

SPEAKER_03 46:28

Go into war when we had the straight open and a really good deal with them and just a way to manipulate the markets. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 46:35

Yeah, yeah. They don't care about any of that. All they care about is like um we're gonna we're gonna be able to play the stock market, yeah, accumulation of power, polymarket, and all that. Yeah, let me buy an island in Albania and people are gonna pay us off to do stuff like by giving us Bitcoin, you know. That's the whole thing is just one big grip. But in the process of doing that with the tariffs, we have the the the world has had to go, okay. Well, I don't get stuff from here anymore. We don't trade this here with them anymore. So now who are they turning to? Hi, China. Hi, oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah, and it's gonna take a while. That's a thing that's not gonna just like magically revert back, you know?

SPEAKER_01 47:19

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

No, it's gonna be a process, but I'm because there's been billions of dollars poured into it to like redirect and re-divert and redo all of this.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah, it reminds me of when my kids used to have the puke flute, and I'm like, better out than in, better out than in, just let it out.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

And guys, this this had to happen. I mean, that's that's the unfortunate thing, but the good thing, we would not have escaped this. I don't care, Kamala would have come in the office, something would have happened. I don't know, it would have been a completely different situation. I couldn't explain how, right? Um, maybe a little bit more. We've been heading better, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

You're you're right. I mean, we've been heading this direction for at least 50 years, if not more.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Probably, yeah. And I blame Reagan, but don't even get me started on him.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Yeah, but anyway, I love that we were so opposite with our conversation. Normally we go to like like 2D like life things, and then we go woo, and we like literally did the opposite. Live back to politics.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Yeah, we went from woo to politics.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

I'm gonna pivot back to woo before we have you give your your um scoop of where um listeners can give you love and find you. But I was telling Jesse off mic before you joined uh the Zoom that I had this dream last night and I normally go live and do my angel card live. And I was so emotional about this dream that I couldn't because I couldn't stop crying for like the first 45 minutes that I was awake over. Um, and it was a good kind of crying, but it was like I just couldn't, I couldn't do it. So this man, he was in his in the dream. I was in this man's house. It was overpacked, it just felt claustrophobic, overpacked, kind of dark. And he kept going. The thing he kept saying over and over was, I want to feel unburdened, I want to feel unburdened. He just kept saying over and over, he his body was wasting away. I got the message that it was cancer. He was like my age, like 56, 57, and he was dying. But his wish was to feel unburdened. And I realized as I looked around the clutter of his house, it was all he was he had was a white man, but all of his statues and things were like these Buddhist statues that were like almost reached the ceiling, and there was just like clutter because he thought that that would be a path to God or a path to being unburdened, and it was really just kind of claustrophobic. So I grabbed his hand, I touched his hand and I led him out of the house and I brought him over to my yard. And it was kind of like my yard in Colorado, where it's like this big plane of grass, and I gave him a bag of seeds, like seeds and nuts were in it. And he just started throwing them out like handful by handful, um, to the squirrels, to all the birds, and the birds were waiting for it on the roof. Um, Eve, and he was just like smiling. And then this woman who was about half his age, like maybe in her early 20s, 25 or so. I never saw the front of her, but she was beautiful with this blonde hair and she was very fit, and she had her halter top and some shorts on. So it was like a different time, almost like the 70s or early 80s style. And she joined him and they were like spreading these seeds around, and he was just laughing and smiling. And then I woke up and I realized I think that he was someone I crossed over, but I think that the young woman had was part of why he felt so burdened or guilty about this life that he lived here on the earthly plane and was making him hesitant to let himself pass away. Wow, it was very interesting. And when I realized it, so then um yeah, when I started saying, I hope that helped you, and it was really an honor to know you. And I every morning do throw seeds out to the squirrels and the rabbits and the um the you know, the everything, all the the birds and everything. I was on my hike afterwards, and I was just thinking about him, and it just felt free. It felt like that TikTok that I just put up this morning before I went on my hike of like this person in a paraglider just soaring and feeling untethered and unburdened. And it was interesting to me because the card that I got, the angel I got was Kalliel or something. I'm sure I'm thinking, and it was basically the message was um to to stop trying to have a conflict and uh let go so that a truth can be revealed. And I thought, that's interesting. I went and yeah, that tracks.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

But you know what's so amazing about this, Jennifer, is what I think is amazing is that these people find you when you're sleeping. I know, it's you know interesting thing. It's so it's so fascinating because the thing is, I think because you're sleeping, your your spirits like, who can I help? I'm the beacon, come to me, I'm the lighthouse, come on over. And so they find you, even if it's just one at a time. Maybe they stand in line and you don't know. Uh, maybe they're all waiting and just waiting for their next number. Okay, it's your turn. Jennifer's available, you know, she's asleep again. But it's just amazing that you can do this for people because listen, we are all connected. We're all connected. We are all connected. And you know, what I tell my listeners, I say, guys, rub your hands together like you know, you put your hands like you're praying, but rub them together, get that heat going. Then make your ball, your hands into a ball like you're holding the earth, and then send out peace, love, unity, respect, and then swish it out and do that at least once a day. The effect that the ripple effect that that gives to just that good intention out is so incredibly important. I cannot ex, I can't, my mom still tells me, do it as much as you can, do it 10 times a day, one time a day, one time a week. Whenever you feel like it, do it and just think unity, love, respect, you know, all those things. Um, all everything, anything you can think of, any word, any you know, adjective or whatever that you can think of, and then just swish it out into the universe. And I usually do it north, south, east, and west, or just once, uh, just everywhere. There's a reason we had that world prayer day. Do you remember that? Yes, I do. That was the same thought. It's the same thought. And I'm telling you, it changes more than you think and it affects more than you think. And all we can do now, because I, you know, you guys have this podcast. You can spread awareness on your podcast. You're doing what your life path is telling you to do. I can only do my podcast and try to spread awareness on my podcast as well about the other side. And you don't have to be afraid to die. And, you know, hey, here's here's some other things you can look forward to, and here's some astrologers and blah, blah. But my thing is, if you don't, you know, the fact that we can do things, but some people feel like, well, what's my purpose? What this is your purpose. Spread that love, spread that unity, spread the respect to everyone. I don't care who it is. I don't wish death on anyone, I don't wish bad things on anyone. I really don't. You know, I may kid a little bit about it, but I don't. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, everybody's here for a reason. Everybody is here for a divine purpose.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Yeah, you're right. And it's uh, I think that's a perfect way to end our conversation because I literally did it as you explained that prayer. Meditate. It's like a mini meditation. It is. And I there's no better way to end it than that, except for where our listeners are gonna find you to send you the lovins and connect with you and your podcast and your books.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

Okay, so my podcast is called Because I Wanna Know, W-A-N-N-A, Because I Wanna Know. And it's on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. You can look up my name, Leslie Fear, or just the name of the podcast. I'm sure Jennifer put the information in the show notes. And then I write paranormal romance novels, and I've got seven available, seven, available on Amazon. They're all bestsellers. Uh, two of them I wrote with a co-author and five of them I wrote myself. And uh, like I said, they're all available. And they're, you know, either ebook or paperback, and they're not crazy expensive. But if you want a little ebook to take to the beach or you want a little paperback to give as a gift, they're great gifts and they're fast reads. And I loved writing, and people were like, You're gonna write again. You're gonna I don't know if I'm gonna start writing again right now, but I'm looking maybe to do it in the next couple of years. Oh, and now I'm rubbing my hands together in expectation of that. Well, I did like 12 years of it. So now I'm like, okay, I'm podcasting now because it's so much fun. I never have to go through the editor and go back. And you guys know, you guys are authors. We know, we know, we we know.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

We do. Well, you're welcome here anytime, Leslie. And um, if you do start writing again, you got to come on because we'll promote you as well.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Oh, thank you. I appreciate you guys so much. It's so fun to just talk to my people.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

I know that's how I feel too. Lots of love to you and love to every listener for tuning in. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

And thank you for coming on.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

Thanks for coming on.