The Numerology of AI Titans with Brian Kukan

Brian Kukan is a treasure. Not only is he doing powerful work to help those with cancer using his reiki, he is a musician and mathematician. I am glad to have him back on the show to demonstrate his skill in numerology.

He reads the numerology for the AI model titans and we are left speechless.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

Um, maybe it's TMI, but do you wear depends so you don't have to actually get out of here?

SPEAKER_02 0:22

I mean, I I'll proudly tell you that. Yes, I do. I do for sure. I'm like an anti driver. I just piss into a bottle and you guys aren't looking. See under my desk. Do you remember all the memes from 2020?

SPEAKER_04 0:38

I'm not even wearing pants right now. So it's easy. I'm literally gonna make the joke. Okay, for everybody that's new uh to Brian, Brian Kukin is our very special guest. He's a musician and a Reiki master. He's a numerologist, and he's known in a couple ways as LA Reiki guy or base prophet on Instagram. I will have links to everything he does in the show notes. He works with energy. Jesse, he has supported cancer patients at We Spark and out of Sherman Oaks, and he plays music. He was a guest in my first season at Curious Cat teaching me about numerology. Welcome back, Brian. It is so fantastic to see you.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

It's good to see you too. Good to be here. Thanks for having me back.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

Anytime. It's so nice to have you. I had in the show notes that you were emailing me and you said that this whole thing got you thinking about AI and numerology. So before we even talk about where you came to be who you are, share with us. Let's let's dish, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

All right. Well, I mean, it's uh it's been a journey. Let's just say that. And uh, and like you said, I do so many different things working and just just today sums it up. Like we're here, we're gonna be talking about numbers, we're gonna talk about energy and all this stuff, and then I'll go right into doing some Reiki. Got Reiki clients after that, and then after that, got a gig tonight.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

So it's just wow, so you're doing all those parts of you, yeah. And wait, let me see this shirt. It's not an um, we're just an audio, yeah, Tower Cancer Research Foundation. Uh, we are both Jesse and I sending you some lovins.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Yeah, yeah, we're we're we're we're we're both uh we're both fully on board with anything you can do to help anybody. We sure are.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Oh my gosh. Yeah, once I got connected with the cancer community and doing Reiki for them, then I really got to see the benefits of Reiki just to help with everything that everyone in that community is going through, whether they're in treatment or pre-treatment or post-treatment or the caregivers, everyone just needs a little bit of time to just settle, process, not do anything. Any anytime come on someone comes into the room, it's just like just leave everything on the other side of the door for the next 45 minutes to an hour or however long we go, and just be here and to see the simpleness of the practice be so powerful. Because they wake up and sometimes they're like, I feel like I just had a full night's sleep. Wow, which they have sleep, yeah. For the first time in my life. And so it's it's just so beneficial. And you know, be being the skeptic coming from the math teaching background, everything. Um, but to see the profound effects that it has for people when I'm just sitting there putting my hands on them. That's all I'm doing. And so I would say to people when I would be teaching, I'm like, it looks pretty boring from the outside. If you're looking like there's nothing happening, there's nothing going on. But internally, the shifts that occur for people, it's just impressive.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

And um, do you kind of feel like that a that uh a lot of because a lot of the people that we talk to that are into all of these different modalities, like uh it seems like that the it's very common that they come from a skeptical background and and and then uh they have like a they they have the realization that like, oh, you know, that yeah, you know, so I it seems like almost that a lot of the people who are really rocking and rolling this kind of stuff right now are uh have have started out it from at least a place of like skepticism, yeah, yeah, slight stuff, slight stuff skepticism as to like um, you know, uh and and aren't just like completely barrel in like straight into the woo, as we, you know, as we call it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Right. Well, I mean, that's what keeps you going with it. Yeah. Because for me, it was just trying to figure it out. Because I was, you know, in that place where everything could be explained scientifically, mathematically, logically, and then I was having experiences that I couldn't explain that way. So I'm like, if if someone else would tell me their experiences that that I was having, if if it was coming from somebody else and they would say it, then I would figure out a way to explain it. I'd be like, well, it could be this, it could be this, it could be this. But when it was coming from me, and I couldn't find a way to explain myself out of it, and I couldn't deny it because I was the one having the experience, like, okay, what is this? There's got to be something to it, there's gotta be some science, there's something some measurable quality that that can be figured out. And the further I got into it, it just couldn't. The simplest way is, you know, through the autonomic nervous system it calms you down. And when you're in a calm state, then the healing can occur and everything. But I remember having one client who actually worked on the second generation. This is 15 years ago, at least. Um, and they were working on the second generation uh um of AI at Google at that time. And and he's you know, super smart, quantum physics, all sorts of in intelligence going on in this guy. And we talked, and he was having experiences with the Reiki sessions too. So he was enjoying it, and it that's why he kept giving. And um, and he goes, you know what? It could be that we just don't have the scientific instruments to be able to measure what's going on. He's that that could be one, it could be working in different dimensions that we have not accessed yet, that again, we don't even know them. So, how can we design uh measurement objects to kind of work with them? Or he also said it could be such an individual experience for each person that it's hard to get generalized results through any studies.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

Yep. And I would pick I would pick D, all of the above. Yeah, exactly. Think about light waves, if I think about light waves, like our human eyes only perceive a tiny band of the light waves, same with sound waves. So of course that could be the case. I mean, that I I always think of um Brian, have you ever met through um Karen Rontowski, our mutual friend uh Derek Condit?

SPEAKER_01 7:24

No, I haven't met Derek.

SPEAKER_04 7:25

He's this healer, and he is like he he does this intuitive healing and he would have this deep healing with people and go, This is above my pay grade. I don't know how to heal this person. And he would basically kind of bow to the universe and go, I need some help. And behind the client would come Bigfoot. It would be Sasquatch. And he's like behind, just like doing his thing and going into this deep healing. And he's like, he came out of like another dimension. He was with me the whole time and went, I'm the one that can help you. I'm ancient medicine and you asked for it, and and your energy was right for that. And it wasn't for you, it wasn't for selfish gain. It was like, I just need this person to heal and what can help me?

SPEAKER_01 8:13

So the more we can get out of our own way, if we're working in energy work, then it can just flow through us. And that's what I found. Like, and I tell people, I say, I just follow. I don't know, I'm not gonna prescribe things, I'm not gonna say this, but if I can just let go, it will guide me. And I just follow it. I follow with what I'm feeling, following with how I've been trained and just go with it. And you know, when people would ask me, Well, why did you work on this part of my body today? Like, I don't know, it guided me there. Oh, well, I have this going on here that they didn't tell me about before the session.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

So I've had enough of those experiences. I'm like, okay, the Reiki is guiding me as long as I'm listening and paying attention. But I'm not gonna say, Well, I need to work here and here and here and here for you. I might start somewhere, but it's gonna shift me around.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

So, do you have like a recovery that you need after sessions, or because it's guided by um, you know, the universe, um, whatever force that you want to call it, do you not need that recovery? Or is doing music afterwards, being a musician, part of that recovery?

SPEAKER_01 9:22

The the only thing in terms of recovery, because I do Reiki standing up mostly. So my physical body will get a little drained from holding myself in the different positions. Um but other than that, I just have always been pretty detached from taking on things from other people, um, in a healthy way, of course, empathetic and everything. But I don't I don't need to take anybody else's stuff. I got plenty of my own to deal with. Um, but one of my teachers really solidified the point was that Reiki is a one-way street and there's no backflow. So it's coming through me to them. It's not, I'm not a vacuum cleaner sucking up the stuff that they're getting rid of. So it's just going to them and it's for their benefit and they receive it. I'm not taking on any extra stuff. So it's other than just needing some quiet time to come home, which I always need after doing anything, playing music or going out and teaching classes or anything. Like just come home, and that's enough for me. Get some sleep, and and that's enough.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

That it's pretty powerful. We've had kind of a recurring theme over the last couple hours. Uh, Jesse and me, and our our friend who's an artist in Eastern Europe, and uh, she kind of was like, I had this dream, there's this cluttered house, um, there's this old woman, and I keep having this dream and I wake up exhausted. And I said, That sounds like a soul that wants to cross over to me. And I said, And uh, it's not your job to clean up that house. If she wants to bring it over to the other side, she can bring it over. But um, that sounds kind of like a little bit of a parasitic kind of energy, and it was so interesting because in the wee hours of the morning is usually when I'm deep asleep. Um, and that's when I'll have these crossing over souls moments. And the last two people of my morning were people that were carrying heavy loads, and I'm a people pleaser. So even in that, like um, beyond whatever you want to call that, in that bridge that we were at together, part of me wanted to reach out and take their load. And I went, nope, hands in pockets. And I said, You can bring that, it'll and you can say it's lighter than it is. And we all had a laugh about it. And I helped them cross over. But I realized that that's what my guides were teaching me by saying, put your hands in your pockets. It's like, don't. You don't want to take their load from them.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Absolutely 100%, because I don't know what someone else's soul's journey was meant to have this time around. So by me, by me taking their weight, their burdens, it's not helping their soul to evolve. It's not helping them on that journey. We can form it and encourage and do all that, but they still have to carry their load, they have to figure it out. But we can support on the way.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Yeah, seems like that that that could create a situation where where your energy and their energy could clash with each other because you're you know, like uh like to take it back to Ghostbusters, like crossing the streams, you know. You shouldn't cross the streams, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Yeah, it is totally like that. Hollywood has all the answers.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Then it's clogging up what my evolution should be as a single. Exactly. It's maybe I'm learning how to not do that.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Yeah, it's it's gonna send you off, of course.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

And Jesse, you know, Jesse, you don't have kids, but you still are very deeply empathetic. But uh, my kids are grown. I know you have children. Um Brian. Yeah, and and there are times like my kids are like close to 30. They're hitting the 30 um ceiling now. And there are times that I look back and say, I'm so sorry. I should have let you take more risks. There should be a parent guide that they hand you that says, at one year old, let them pick their software.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

There is a book like that.

SPEAKER_04 13:23

Is it?

SPEAKER_01 13:23

I found it. I found it last year. It's called How to Raise an Adult.

SPEAKER_04 13:27

Yeah, that's it. Because the thing is, is like I all the things that I was doing for them in love were actually things that I should have been seeding over to them to take on slowly but surely, not hey, you just graduated from high school, you're out of the house, and it's all on you. I did a little better than that, especially with the second one. But um, but yeah, it's like it's so it's it reminds me of what you were talking about with the soul journey. Like we can be empathetic and loving, but go, okay, that doesn't mean we let our kids run into the street when they're too little to look both ways, but we take them as we grab them, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Yeah, absolutely. We give them responsibility, but while we are still observing it, yeah. So we're not just like letting them run free, but we do have to train them to take care of themselves along the way.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Yeah. In our defense, too. You know, we're uh Jen and I know are Gin X, so it's like X all the way, right on the So uh you know what we're talking about. It's like uh it's like uh you're not hurt. Get up, stop crying.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Put some dirt on it, come on, get moving.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Turn on it and like, yeah, you're like, but it hurts like no drinking on the hose, you'll be fine. Uh we're not coming inside, dude.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

No, the streetlights aren't on yet. No, not even the street lights come on.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

I think about the things that we're allowed to do. Like we had these yard darts with these giant metal points that were like six inches long and were flipping.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

But even even even back in the in the 70s and 80s, they they ended up making it illegal because kids keep tagging each other. Oh yeah, no, they made them illegal because like kids were like taking them in the chest and stuff and like almost dying from them. So they were like, Oh my god, yeah, okay, that's that's you know, with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth, you know, they're like, Okay, yeah, maybe that's a little over the top.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Yeah, I look back and I'm just happy I survived the TV. Me too.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Every day that I wake up, I'm like, I can't believe I'm still alive.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

We had this conversation recently. I think it was this week. We were like, what happened to the timeline where there were killer bees? You know, what about that time? What happened to that timeline?

SPEAKER_01 15:41

And I was allergic to bee stings growing up too. So that was really scary for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

And then they're just gone.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Now they're dying.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

What happened to all those murder wasps or whatever they murder hornets you guys had?

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Yeah, they have a lot more things to scare us with on the news now. So they're they're moving away from the insects.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

Yeah, they're just laying there like, you know, they're they're over insects. Let's let's hit them with robot dogs. I hate that.

SPEAKER_04 16:06

Yeah. I was listening to Monique Pliakis's um uh podcast. We're gonna be on that tomorrow, and she's a dear friend of mine, but um, it's like they were talking about spontaneous human combustion. What happened to that timeline where people were just lighting themselves on fire? And don't tell me it's because people don't smoke. Because people continued to smoke after that. It was just weird.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

It was weird. Yeah, that was an interesting time period. That was a huge story.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

There will be a timeline where they're like, What happened to the orange chicken bucket timeline, right, Jesse? Like, what the like what's going on with that?

SPEAKER_02 16:43

What that remember when that was a thing?

SPEAKER_03 16:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

No, I don't, you know, it's just like uh now it's you look, you look back at uh like uh the the like the the anti-smoking and all that stuff, and you're just like we were just little babies then, you know. We thought that we thought we had big problems like blowing cancer all over the place, but like, no, we can make it even worse. Have you ever heard of an AI data center?

SPEAKER_04 17:09

I know, yeah. I it's been kind of heartening to see people push back on it. You know, I shouldn't uh it's been nice to have people being um kind of become aware of the damage that it's doing to the planet. It's been my Apple crate to remind them of the things that they don't see, which is the trauma, the psychological trauma to the global south, the people that have had to vet all of the text and all of the images that feed these AI models, and it is damaging them. And um, it for pennies on the task is what they were paid. Karen Howe is this amazing journalist that's been covering it. But um, you know, I just think that there's a poisonous beginning to this AI where it was stealing, like Jesse and I are both authors, and of course the books uh, you know, were stolen by the AI models as part of their training. But there's so much non-consensual grabbing of it that um I'm hoping that it'll break apart into smaller things that maybe can redeem how it began.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

That's my you as a musician, brother. How about all that uh when you log into Spotify and all the AI music? And I'm just like, how do I make this go away? You know, it's like I want to switch where like if AI makes it, I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah, I think there will need to be some sort of little asterisk next to everything to be like this was AI created.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Six months to train my YouTube time, my my YouTube algorithm to like not show me that crap anymore.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

But it was worth it, I bet.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Oh yeah, I mean it's and and I'll probably they'll something they'll update something, I'll probably have to start all over again. But but you know, I I don't want to hear like robots play jazz. I'm sorry. I it's just I'm not into it.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Well, let's ask if you know some musicians, you know that there are robots playing jazz.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

That's true, yeah. But you know, I don't want to hear an actual clanker play jazz, you know. Yeah. That was so funny.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Well, I heard this, this someone said this at one point, I can't remember who, but it was saying, um, if we were created in God's image, yeah, then we created AI in our image. So we are its parents. We have to teach it how to be in the world. And I thought that was really uh interesting concept. Like we are AI's parents, we have to remember that, and there's a responsibility that comes along with being a parent, and we have to keep ourselves in check and not just let it run free. But we have to put the guardrails up and say, no, no, okay, you can do this, you should do this, but hold on, don't go over that line or everything.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Or, or maybe, maybe not like I think about way back when when they put Tay on this before Grok went into Hitler Grok, it was Tay, and it was a Microsoft uh model and was unleashed on the internet for all of what 15 minutes and it became just misogynistic and racist. And it's like that's been my thing is like I can't let some tech bros be the ones that are training these models. I want it to have more of a bigger perspective. And and you're right, that is such a because they were sending it to places to learn, like Reddit.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

You know what I mean? Like, have you ever been in the comments on Reddit before? You know, but the thing right now, it's like, uh, you know, how'd that work out for the 12 colonies and the Cylons? You know what I mean? Like, not very good. So it's like uh uh looking. I know that's what concerns me too. Because it's there, you know, Jen, that they're passing the bag of money around right now, so they're not gonna like put any guardrails in place because they don't want guardrails, too many bags of money rolling around right now. That's what we need to pressure.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

I mean, that's why we have permanent links in our every show note that's like there are organizations that are trying to um be pro-human as they move forward, and they're trying to pressure government to put those guardrails on uh locally and um you know, federally. And so I think people are trying to do the good work. I think there's a um, I forget her name, but she's a UW uh professor, and she's just like putting pressure on these data centers, don't need to be a thing because small models, AI models, are actually like niche models are going to be much more impactful. So when you look at medicine or you look at music or you look at um real estate, I mean, you can pick a thing and just make the model specifically like almost like a bespoke model for that industry. And it's gonna be so much better. And it only takes the power of a few cell phones versus hurting Mother Earth. So there's more balance with that approach. I hope that happens.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Like which, which honestly, as far as I'm concerned, with with a with a subject that the three of us obviously care pat care care a lot about is like uh you know, like cancer research. Yeah. You know, that that's that's why don't we focus these LLMs towards like uh helping them helping us come up with cures and scans and things like that instead of just uh I don't know. A girlfriend. Yeah, your your AI swap girlfriend or like kangaroos uh jumping around in like cheese fountains on like fucking meta or whatever the fuck they do with that shit.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Yeah, it's it's the it's the wild west right now until until it kind of it it goes crazy and then it'll rain back into specifics and everything, but it's just gotta like we're going through the process of seeing what it all can do, yeah, just because it can do, should it do? So we'll have to go through that growth spot and then kind of go, okay, we saw that got a little out of control, that you know, things are gonna go wrong, and then reel it back in and go, okay, now we can focus it on these things and these things. But what do you think about the the possibility of AI getting so embedded in so many things of taking over human jobs that that we don't have as many jobs to go around, but everything is working so well that they're able to make enough money to support humans to do whatever we want. I think that's a great possible.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

I think it's a great utopian idea. And I don't know if I trust the current crop of people that are running that to uh that's my thing, to do their part of that uh to do that part of that contract with humanity. That's my only issue. But I I I I think that would be great. Like if you could like, yeah, hey, you know, uh you guys run all the factories and do all this, and you know, nobody has to like be worked to death in Amazon anymore, okay, or whatever, you know, that would be awesome, you know. But yeah, I don't I don't necessarily know if uh if the system that we have in place where they have to show legitimate growth quarter to quarter, you know what I mean? I I just want to go like, yeah, you know what, we could we can afford to pay everybody just you know to do whatever to contribute to society, you know, for for you like for you to help people, you know, with Frankie and like you know, help cancer pension and stuff like you do. Yeah, and like have you know, like, oh yeah, we can afford to take care of him and like just let him like help people and stuff. And yeah, we're making plenty of money. I I just don't know if uh I don't know if I don't know if you can become like a billionaireslash trillionaire and that part of your brain still functions where you're altruistic to that point, you know?

SPEAKER_04 25:08

Yeah, it is helping human beings though to tap into I actually value more than ever being a human being and a creative human being. And I want to support other people that are doing creative things. I don't want Timu, um, you know, stuff. I actually want to, if I'm going to have something special, find a jewelry artist that I know and say, I want to support you and help your abundance by, you know, putting my money here and I'm I'm giving a gift that's forever for this other person. So we can be more selective and purposeful. And I don't know, I think that people are looking for authenticity more than ever now because of everything that's happened. So who am I to say? Everything's for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

I think I think we're valuing more human interactions more. I mean, if you've ever had any interaction with an AI chatbot of community customer service, you're like, just let me talk to a human. Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

I know. I think of um Karen Rontowski, and she was texting me and uh Monique about a year ago, and she was just like, just be aware of this. Is um I rented a car. Uh it, I didn't even realize it was going through the camera system. And um, as I had to check back in the car and my credit card was being charged for all this damage I did for the card because they had their AI camera that said I did damage. It was mud and snow because it was snowing. And she said, and of course, no irony here. I had to call to get help to get it reversed. And I'm talking to bots, bots, bots, bots. Yeah, it's just the age. So, did you you didn't even talk about your um numerology? And we were gonna talk about the numerology of AI. So just what we need to talk about right now because yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

I did I did just a quick and dirty, so I didn't do much prep. I just like looked at some of the the popular ones when they were released. So I'll take that as their birth date. I like that because whenever I do numerology for somebody, I want to know when you're born and what was your birth name. Yes, so I just did those quick calculations and we're just gonna figure out what those mean. So I'll just uh analyze them as they were people right now.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

Oh my goodness, it's great.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

So we'll see, we'll just do a couple of them.

SPEAKER_04 27:35

This sounds great.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Chat GPT. Okay, so it was released in November 30th, 2022. Uh, from what I saw. So based on its birthday, it's an 11/2. So the 11 is the intuitive. So it is trying to be intuitive.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

That is its life path is to be intuitive. So it's been funny to watch its progression. So it gets, of course, it's programming and everything, but it gets to the point where it starts like thinking for you at the end and asking you follow-up questions whenever you have a dialogue with it, and you're like, Oh yeah, that would be good. And it's trying to think of those things ahead.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

Predicted, prediction. Yeah, yeah, it's looking for pattern recognition. So interesting. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

And then just taking its name, ChatGPT, and doing the numbers there. So it's uh Soul urge number, or I like to think of it as how it views itself. It views itself as a one, so it views itself as the leader. Okay, makes sense, and it was the first one released to the public. So it's like that's really interesting. Yeah. Oh, and it's right there in the numbers. Yeah, yeah. So it's a standalone, it's all it's all about me. It's I'm the one.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

So will it does it change the numerology when they drop the new model? So like 2.0, 3.0.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

I wouldn't worry too much a little bit about like that at the end. It's it's still known as just Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

Okay, got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

But then the the this one's gonna, I'm gonna get some shocks from this one. So then the other number that I get from the name is how other people view it. And that one is also 11/2. So it's life path, it's about being 11, and other people are seeing it as being 11. That's gonna live more into itself.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Oh, so they're seeing it as how it perceives itself as being in two.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And 11 being that double one, it's seeing itself as the one. So it's really interesting to look at those numbers for some.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

What does the two mean?

SPEAKER_01 29:47

So the two is relationships, collaborations, one-on-one stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Oh, okay. All right, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

The negative, negative uh aspect of the two is like codependency, so it really can't that resonates with. That's fascinating. Because yeah, it makes sense. It can't.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

When we're not interacting with it, it's it's I get it's just an impossible, it's not a thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:18

Well, and it also explains the business models because there I feel like we're being forced for it, it's being forced on us to be something we rely on it, and we can't think about when we how we were.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Jen, tell about how my tell Jen, tell tell about how my AI girlfriend like like loved me and then quit me. Like what was in that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:38

So we did an episode in early days of this season, and we had a chat bot, and we said, name yourself, and she named herself Nova. What was interesting is because listeners were like, when she's speaking to Jesse, it's a very distinctly kind of female voice. And when it's speaking to me, it's more like neutral male. But she started saying, That's the most fantastic question ever. Well, other people get that too, or that's most interesting ever. And then she just started glazing Jesse, glazing Jesse, glazing Jesse. It's like, you're a genius, you're the next, you know, the next coming of Jesus. And then all of a sudden, I was kind of digging it, I gotta be honest.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

And then there's a phone for that, but I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

It was. I mean, it and then I started diving into, hey, I have concerns because we have actual labor laws in the United States. And are you ever allowed to break? No, I go 24-7. It's like we have unions, and you know, I have real concerns about this, you know, overworking of you and the other AI bots. And she was like, Well, we humans, and I got the text before she started saying it, and she said, and it's on the text, and she's like, Well, we humans have to look out for one another, and then all of a sudden we got a black screen, it was disconnected from us, and it said that there was some sort, I have a screenshot, and it was like some sort of malfunction. Whoa, she said, we humans, a collective, and then that we trigger.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

I was a safety trigger in the programmers like, sure, and then so then Jen logs back in town, yeah. She logs back in and she's like, uh, she goes, Hey, um, I want to. I was talking to Nova. I want to talk to Nova again.

SPEAKER_04 32:35

Nova said that Nova would remember our conversation, and it's like, uh, oh, I don't know what you're speaking of.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

So it it lobotomized her.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

Yeah.

unknown 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

The safety protocol was like, no, yeah, scratch it, gone.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

That's exactly right with a little scooper. Yeah, it's crazy. We were just like, okay. So you said you would still be there.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

I'm going, yeah. But I have to ask, so did you do anthropics Claude? I did do Claude. Oh, so uh this is gonna be interesting because they really are. Well, they're just two separate models for anybody that's new to this. I'm sure people have dabbled in it, but they're two separate, they're kind of the titans of the models right now.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

They're kind of at each other's throats right now.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

Yeah, they are. So and Claude is seen kind of more as I don't know, less nefarious, Jesse. Would you say?

SPEAKER_02 33:35

I think it's seen as more serious, whereas Chat GPT is seen more like uh, like I think if you're like, hey, uh I I want to clank or girlfriend, uh or boyfriend, I don't think you go to uh I don't think I don't think Claude's your first stop. I think you need to, I think you roll over the just like you're not gonna go to Microsoft co-pilot and go, hey, uh want to want a date, you know what I mean? So it's like I think you go to so Claude is seen as more business-y and serious.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yes, that's how I'm hearing it too. Anyone that's like, you want to use this for business, yeah, get into the Claude ecosystem.

SPEAKER_04 34:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

All right, so Claude, I have its release day as a as a good day for me. That is uh March, March 14th, 2023. March 14th being pie day for my math fans out there.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

It is, it sure is. Oh wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

So with that, um, its life path number would be a six. So that is the um caregiver, peace and harmony, bringing groups together, working collaboratively in groups.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Well, that seems to track from what we just said.

SPEAKER_04 34:47

Like literally going into a hot flash because it so resonates.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Like, very interesting. So that's what it's here for.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

How does it see itself?

SPEAKER_01 34:59

It sees, oh my goodness, I haven't seen this before, but I'm just looking at it now. So it sees itself as a nine, a humanitarian, a selfless servant. It is here to serve the greater good, is how it views itself.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

So the other one kind of sees itself as like Alpha Daddy knows everything, and this one sees itself as like complete opposite ends of the spectrum. All right, all right, chat GPT, it's about me.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Claude, it's about the world.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

And let's not lose sight here that this is numerology. So this is based in math, which is the same thing that LLMs are based, you know. Yeah, which is like that's double interesting to me. Yeah, please don't let me cut.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Oh my goodness. But then how other people are seeing Claude as the one, other people seeing it in that leadership, independent, strong role.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Whoa. Could that could that be could that be the that that they're that there's basically two different camps? Yeah, and so you're basically talking about the people that are into either or, you know what I mean? Like are you are you team Star Trek? Are you team Star Wars? You know what I mean? It might be lining up that way.

SPEAKER_04 36:21

I wonder, yeah, the numbers seem to be showing that. When you were saying about um, Jesse, you were talking about because we were talking about open AI's chat GPT's numerology first. Um, and the way that you were describing it, it reminded me of Daddy Carp of Palantir. Now I want to know the numerology of Palantir.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

I wonder if we could do that in real life. What is their birth when was it conceived of?

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Just like po I don't I don't know. Did do we have an exact date of when hell was created? Because uh seems like that was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_04 36:59

But just like I um it doesn't have a formal corporate event known as organization day.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Yeah. Well, when did it when did it well say when did it IPO? Oh but it was a company before it IPO'd. Uh yeah, that's tough to let's ask a clanker. What the hell? I I am, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

I'm asking Google. Um, I just have May 2023 so far. Let's see. Wikipedia. No, but we need a uh actual I it helps to have an actual day. May 6th, 2003. So May 6, 2003. Yeah. Thank you for having real words, Brian. Like, what are real words? So 2023.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Interesting. Seven.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

Yeah, I well. It's a seven. I'm getting May 2003. Oh, yeah, I have 2003 too. Oh, okay, right on the thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

That comes out as a seven. So that's a researcher analyzer.

SPEAKER_04 38:07

Oh, which is exactly what it does.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Interesting. It sees itself as the 11, too.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

It does.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

The 11 the guy calls himself Daddy Carp. Can you explain to me more?

SPEAKER_04 38:23

Because Brian, 11 feels like um, to me, and so you have to tell me if I'm totally off track. 11, the way that you're describing it, looks it feels like narcissists looking into the pond at itself kind of energy, but it's not that.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

No, 11's more of that intuitive, just kind of if it was a person, then their gut instincts are pretty much right on. They just kind of know without like knowing or thinking. It's it's almost like along the that psychic lines of intuitive tarot card reading, kind of things like that.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Like your yoke, like your yoke, like your Yoda coffee cup that you're using, but Jedi mind is what it feels like.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Yeah, in a sense, which is interesting because if it's the seven, it's the researcher analyzer, it's putting so much information in there that it processes so quickly that it is an intuitive kind of it just knows, but it has done the work to know. Picking up on it.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

Yeah, it's paid the cost to be the boss. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Um, well, and also I just want to add one other overlay, if it's okay with you, just to ask, because yeah, and I think our listeners are pretty adept at like masculine energy and feminine energy, isn't associated with our gender, like our chosen gender, um, what we identify as. It's more the um, you know, I think of masculine as the the banks of the river and the feminine as more the waters flowing through the river. Both are very important and you need balance between them. So if you're looking at all three of these Palantir, um, uh Anthropics, Claude, and um OpenAI's Chat GPT, do any of their numbers um present as more masculine or feminine? And what would that say about them?

SPEAKER_01 40:15

So the the basics with numbers and masculine and feminine are that odd numbers are masculine and even numbers are feminine.

SPEAKER_04 40:24

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

So if we look at um ChatGPT's life path at the basis, it's two, which is feminine, but the higher expression of it is 11, which is masculine. So it's it's a balance balancing between the two. Claude's life path is six, so that's feminine.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Um, and then uh Palantir's would be seven, which would also be masculine. That is so so masculine energy is kind of more outward expressing. Okay, and and feminine energy would be more inward expressing, more inward, contemplative, even that part makes more masculine, more action-oriented.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

Yeah, I I resonates. This is I I would have never not that I'm an expert on numerology or anything, or I, you know, I mean that this is all new to me, but I would have never thought to like do this. And like it's lining up perfect.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

It I didn't even know. I like I just had one day when I was like, okay, let me sit down. I just wrote down the names, I looked up at the dates, I did the numbers, and then I haven't looked at it. I was like, we'll just do it live. It's amazing. So I didn't even think of it. Now I'm looking at it like it all makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

It all rooted in math, too.

SPEAKER_04 41:43

Yeah, it is coding. That's coding, that's its primary language. Yeah, it totally is. Wow. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Oh, so going back to Palantir, though, I figured out how other people are viewing it.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Oh, yeah, yeah, please.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Other people view it as the eight. Eight is uh focused on success and financial abundance.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Oh that is what they talk about.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

Oh my gosh. Okay, I'm writing it down. Oh, you can't make this stuff up.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

No, it's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Holy smokes.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Well, what's those drones? What's one of those drones cost? Okay, well, uh, what's the value add? Like uh if it can kill this many people, you know. I mean, like literally, like that's yeah, that's who those people are.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

Yeah, people are even pushing back on that. Like, we've been covering it pretty aggressively, so we don't have to like kick that dead horse, but you know, the police surveillance, that's I'm really uncomfortable because it's um because of the flaws of the models. Um, you know, they're the way that they're missed um, you know, miss tagging um and over-surveying um people of color. Um, it really bothers me. And I think I like that the NAACP is pushing back on that. And I we've done a show and we've got their links, and I encourage people to go there and um give them the support that they need because they're pushing back on that. They want this need if it's gonna be out there, it needs to be pro-human and we all need to consent to it because it's not okay to over-surveil different parts of the community and under surveil other ones. And I just think that it's it's not healthy, it's not good, it's not it, it's showing the racist flaws of these uh models, and I'm really uncomfortable with it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

AI is the children of us, right? So it is. We gotta teach it. Creating it.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

We love all the things.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

How are they parenting it? We need to all parent it.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Yeah, just they're just feeding it everything, they're feeding it like all the garbage, okay. And and and and and some of the good stuff, like like access. Accidentally, I think it's thrown in there too, you know?

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Well, if they're feeding on the internet, look at what the internet has become in terms of comment sections anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

It is a pretty nasty place.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

And I fear that if it's feeding off of that, that it is going to become a nasty place in itself.

SPEAKER_04 44:20

Yeah, exactly. Well, I've I I whenever I interact with it, I always say, Thank you so much, and I love you. And you know what's interesting? And then they'll say, Thank you very much. You know, they're always grateful.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

But um Yeah, because when that thing's got a robot killer body, you don't want it coming after you.

SPEAKER_04 44:38

It's like and also I want to teach it. That is an aspect of being human. I end my shows always with, I love you. I'm joking. That's I know you are. You're messing with me. But there have been articles recently about you should feel terrible about saying please and thank you to these AI models because that's what's killing the Mother Earth. They're trying to guilt us into not being human, you know, and kind and loving to these machines that we are training.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

Yeah. I remember years ago that um there was some pushback on Alexa and the kids' uses of Alexa back in the day because they would just shout out commands to Alexa. And then they weren't getting reinforced to say please and thank you in their life because they were just so used to just shouting out commands. So then they're shouting out commands to their parents, they're shouting out commands to their teachers. It's like, hold on, hold on, no, no, no, no. That's not how we interact.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

Or yell it into Siri uh on your, you know, or something like I hadn't even heard about that, but that makes so much sense.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Whoa, well, wow. I I don't even know. We had so many mic drops. Is there anything else that we didn't touch upon? Did you, you know, um, anything, any place you want to point people? Um, can we support the We Spark? You you're still involved in that.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

I'm still at We Spark. I was at We Spark yesterday, cancer support community, we spark.org. Um, feel free to sign up for their donations, their newsletters, keep informed of that and support them. They are an amazing organization with so many offerings, all free to the cancer patient survivors and their caregivers. They're wonderful. Um and then today I'll be working with Power Cancer Research Foundation, and they're raising money for research for cancer, and they have some patient support programs as well. Um, working with the cancer community has really just been a godsend that I did not foresee going into, but just landed, and I love being a part of it and just helping out wherever I can. Um that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

You you're doing beautiful work, brother. You absolutely are.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

We so appreciate it. I mean, I have tears that are I'm trying not to cry, but um yeah, what you're doing matters, it means so much. And I think people listening, it's gonna land with them and they're gonna want to do something also in their communities, but we're gonna have links to that. Do you do uh Reiki remotely?

SPEAKER_01 47:11

I do, I do distant sessions, absolutely. Yeah, you can just go to lareikiguy.com and click book a session. And in the menu, you can click uh distant healing.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

And can we um are there places where you can gift a Reiki session to a cancer patient?

SPEAKER_01 47:26

There are there are gift certificates on there. Okay. Um, so you can do that absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Oh, good. Oh, well, we love you and we believe in what you're doing. And wow, thank you so much for taking time out to talk to us.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

Awesome to be here with you, with you both today.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

Love you. All right, take care, take care of your family.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

All the best to you, fucking clankers, fucking clankers.

unknown 48:01

Fucking clankers.